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SG236
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posted 04-17-2001 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK you 460 experts an ol racer needs some help.

I have a 467 BBF that will have dove heads that have been reworked, a TCI 5500 Stall, 4.88 rear gear and a 1.76 glide. I have a small cam [email protected], .580 lift. I don't plan to turn this engine more than about 6500 and leave the line around 3800. I don't think I need that much stall. What do you suggest? 4000 or 4500?

Thanks in advance.

Russ Hood

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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-17-2001 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm no expert, but I'll throw my 2 cents in.

I don't think it will be very happy with that cam. 270 @ .050 is not going to make good torque, if you plan to limit it to 6500 and leave under 4000 then you're going to need for it to make good torque. Also, .580 lift is nothing in a 460.

The cam that I just took out of mine is a flat tappet with 253/260 @ .050 around .630/.650 lift on a 108 center. It absolutely quit pulling at 7000 rpm but made a ton of power between 3000 and 6500. I used it with a 5000 stall convertor in a 3520lb car.

The cam that I'm running now is also a flat tappet with 264/268 @ .050 .650/.680 lift on a 112 center. This stick pulls right past 6500 and keeps making good power until 7000-7200. I also run a 5000 stall convertor with it at 3470 lbs.

In short, I think the cam is more of a problem to your projected combo than the convertor.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.

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SG236
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posted 04-17-2001 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Butch,

Guess I need to get a cam. The one I have was donated to the cause. After you spend $$$ and blow a cleveland after 11 passes it gets expensive.

Thanks again for the info.


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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-17-2001 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I understand expensive, I blew up a ton of FE stuff before I finally switched to the 460. I've still got the cam and lifters if your interested.

I'm not positive on the lift but I'm pretty sure it was .630/.650, might be less but it's definately .620 or better. Duration is 285/293 @.020 and 253/260 @ .050 on a 108. I've got the lifters that I ran on it also, I ran 140-145lbs seat pressure with 360-380lbs over the nose.

I got it for $100.00 from a friend of mine in Arizona who had run it on the dyno. I ran it for 4 passes before I burnt a piston and changed the combination. If you want it, I'll give it to you for $100.00 with the lifters.

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SG236
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posted 04-17-2001 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, but I'm done with the FE stuff too. I still have the cam and lifters for mine and the rockers I'll use on the 460. I have a couple of people who want my intake and heads off the cleveland. I think I'll be bartering for some BB stuff for my car!


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Russ

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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-17-2001 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SG236:
Thanks, but I'm done with the FE stuff too. I still have the cam and lifters for mine and the rockers I'll use on the 460. I have a couple of people who want my intake and heads off the cleveland. I think I'll be bartering for some BB stuff for my car!

I'm confused....The cam I am refering to is out of my 460, I went with a bigger grind when I went through the motor last time. I was just offering it to you because it's more geared to the rpm range you said you wanted to run and you said "guess I need to get a cam".

I'm not trying to sell you any FE (427/428)or Cleveland parts.

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SG236
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posted 04-17-2001 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I read the post to quick. I need to slow down a little, I get in to big a hurry. I'll take a look at what I'm doing and let you know. I'm definitely interested after re-reading the post!

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F551
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posted 04-17-2001 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for F551   Click Here to Email F551     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cam we just pulled out was Comp Cams 294/304 adv - 256/266 @ .050 with .589"/.615" lift on 108 degree lobe sep angle.

Motor made 650 ft/lb @ 4250 and 645 HP @ 6250 - did not work above 6400rpm.
Car always laid down on end - thought it was lack of heads, now figure it was cam - guess they were serious when they said 6500 limit!

As we go thru the eyes at about 6900, elected to change cam. Went to Crane 302/312 adv - 266/276 @ .050 with .603"/.624" lift.
With our setup we would have to cut the pistons if wanted more lift. This cam is good to 7400.

So - Butch's cam sounds good to me, as long as you can keep the rpm down.

Probably the 4500 stall would be better, ours was 5000.

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SQ2204
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posted 04-18-2001 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SQ2204   Click Here to Email SQ2204     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you run some mid to high seat pressure on the valve springs be sure to used two pins on the cam, a single pin will not last long.
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SG236
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posted 04-18-2001 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buddy,

Thanks I'll remember that when putting the engine together.

Russ

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posted 04-18-2001 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SQ2204   Click Here to Email SQ2204     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SG236 I hate to see someone else make the same mistakes that we have. Let me know if you need any more info.
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SG236
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posted 04-18-2001 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Buddy and welcome to M&M. Best Ford sire on the Web!

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TomP
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posted 04-19-2001 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never had a problem with a single stock pin with a solid cam.... but with the roller i busted one which did the valvetrain no kind of good

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SG236
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posted 04-19-2001 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Butch,

Do you think I can still use the 5500 convertor?

Thanks,

Russ

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kid vishus
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posted 04-19-2001 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would still use that convertor, remember, you still do not really have a "first" gear. So long as your shift point is 1000 rpm over the stall flash, you will be ok.

And I have never had a problem with a single pin in the cam, not even in my roller stuff.

Just my opinion.

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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-19-2001 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SG236:
Butch,

Do you think I can still use the 5500 convertor?

Thanks,

Russ



I think I'd try it before buying another one....especially if the car is light.


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SG236
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posted 04-19-2001 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Butch,

Thanks, that was my thoughts also. I'm gonna send the convertor to Kenny Ford at PTC and have the tranny gone through before I start putting everything back together.


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SG236
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posted 04-19-2001 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kid,

Thanks I need all the info I can get. Can't afford another skulled engine this year!


Russ

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