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steve'66
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posted 04-06-2001 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does a sealed battery (optima) need a battery box for NHRA safety rules? The box has to be constructed of what? Does it have to be vented? I know it has to be switched, any recomendations on wiring? Does anyone use a small lightweight battery mounted up front?
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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-06-2001 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hi Steve,

Here's some info on relocating the battery for NHRA.com

http://www.nhra.com/contacts/tech_faq.html

It doesn't have to be in a box at all if you put a metal bulkhead behind the seat and under the package tray (I use .032 aluminum). The box is generally used with a hatchback application.

Larry put one of those tiny batteries in the front of Jack's Torino (the black one) that they run at Sears on occasion and have been very happy with it.

I run an Optima in the trunk in mine and have been very happy with it.

I use the cutoff switch on my positive cable so I don't have a live cable running the length of the car when it's in the off position. One more thing, I run my alternator wire to the switched side of the switch and not directly to the battery....I used to run it to the positive post until I had a tech inspector (at Bakersfield) kill my cutoff while the car was running and the car didn't die.....he wasn't real happy about that. He had been doing it all day and said that over half of the cars he teched that day failed the test.

Hope this helps

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steve'66
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posted 04-06-2001 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excelent info Butch!

Thanks a lot,

SteveW

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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-06-2001 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My pleasure

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Doc
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posted 04-06-2001 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The better bitty battery is a DynoBat, it weighs 13 lbs. It measures 3X7X6.5 and will crank that ol 428 for quite awhile

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steve'66
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posted 04-07-2001 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doc:
The better bitty battery is a DynoBat, it weighs 13 lbs. It measures 3X7X6.5 and will crank that ol 428 for quite awhile

Where do you buy one of these?

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Doc
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posted 04-07-2001 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jack got this one outta the back of one o them road racin magazines for $139 + shipping. I also found them on line at http://www.performancedistributors.com/batteries.htm but theirs weighs 13.5 pounds and costs $155. He got it about a year ago so they mighta went up .

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posted 04-07-2001 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh also I misspelled the brand name. It's Dyna-Batt

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ragtopjr
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posted 04-07-2001 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ragtopjr   Click Here to Email ragtopjr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NHRA has not yet made concessions for sealed batteries, so the rules that apply to a regular lead acid battery also apply to the optima, I love my optima and sold hundreds of them as a salesamn for interstate and Highly recommend them.
I know nothing about the Dyna-batt.

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Just Jim
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posted 04-07-2001 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Steve,
Painless Wiring sells a relay kit used when the battery is relocated.It's part number 501103 and comes with good instructions for hooking up.When hooked up with the kit it meets NHRA tech requirements.

On another note: Watch out for Bakersfield tech if you go race there.I'm not sure but think they are not too fond of out of towners or anybody who doesn't think Buck Owens is a God.They are famous for finding fault with battery hold down bolt sizes and cut-off switch installations as well as seat belt dates.The Morris wasn't allowed to run at all there.I wasn't too happy about making the drive all the way up there only to fail tech 'cause the car was painted blue.

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kid vishus
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posted 04-07-2001 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a sealed dry cell in the trunk of my race car and it works great. It is a Black Panther, formerly known as Genesis. I also run my alternator wire to the switched side of the battery cut-off and have never had a problem with tech. But I run a one-wire alternator and that makes the wiring process pretty easy.

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posted 04-07-2001 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Just Jim:

On another note: Watch out for Bakersfield tech if you go race there.I'm not sure but think they are not too fond of out of towners or anybody who doesn't think Buck Owens is a God.They are famous for finding fault with battery hold down bolt sizes and cut-off switch installations as well as seat belt dates.The Morris wasn't allowed to run at all there.I wasn't too happy about making the drive all the way up there only to fail tech 'cause the car was painted blue.



Because the car was painted blue??? Why did it really fail? I've been to Bakersfield (8-9 hour tow) quite a few times and have never been turned away. All the reasons you state are legitimate reasons to fail and are all clearly spelled out in the NHRA rulebook.

I don't like having to buy belts every 2 years, especially when it blows up and only makes 20 or so passes in 2 years, but I would never expect to be allowed to run if my belts were out of date.

The fact is, if your car's right, it will pass tech....anywhere.

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Doc
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posted 04-07-2001 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used to help tech at the old Baylands (Fremont) racway, and it don't feel any better turning away a racer than being the racer turned away. The simple fact is they have to protect themselves, you and the other racers. Would you like to run knowing tech didn't check the car in the other lane well?

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posted 04-07-2001 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Morris has up to date belts and proper battery hold downs etc.The tech guys found some other stuff they didn't like and when I told them it passed tech at LACR and NHRA's home track of Pomona on several occasions they didn't have an answer.I would never repeat never try to race something that was unsafe or not legal,it's not worth it to me or the person I'm racing against.I don't appreciate the inference that I may have done so.Several of my fellow racers at LACR have had trouble with this same Bakersfield tech guy.I refuse to go to Bakersfield with my Morris.I still think it was the Buck Owens thing,not the blue color.

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steve'66
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posted 04-07-2001 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm seriously thinking about this little battery idea! It would save overall weight, could I mount it on the firewall? As far as a glass front bumper, it doesn't weigh much! I'll try the 90-10 CE shocks again next week. Thanks again everyone!

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Butch Jennings
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posted 04-07-2001 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Just Jim:
[B]I would never repeat never try to race something that was unsafe or not legal,it's not worth it to me or the person I'm racing against.I don't appreciate the inference that I may have done so.
B]


Did I infer that? You said it was because the car was blue, I was just curious what the real reason was. But it seems you don't want to say....that's ok.

I wasn't trying to infer that you went out there with out-dated belts and tried to run...you brought belt dates up as an example of something these particular tech guys are famous for "finding fault" with, as if that's a bad thing. The only fault to be found in dates on belts would be that they're old....not worn out, old. I've seen tattered belts in some of the week-in-week-out bracket cars at the track that I wouldn't use in my tow vehicle, but the dates are good so that makes them ok. On the other hand, mine are like new....garage kept and run less than 20 passes but the date says they're junk....that's the point I was trying to make.

I don't have a problem with a tight tech guy or tech team....especially in the area of batteries. Batteries can cause real trouble (ie: FIRE!!!).

I've walked the lanes at a number of tracks and wondered how some of the crap gets through tech (not refering to you or your car(s)).

I constantly point stuff out to Larry that is unbelievable, I saw a blown Nova with a fuel regulator mounted on the firewall and about 3 feet of rubber hose under the hood. The same car had no back seat and I could see the fuel cell through the windshield while standing in front of the car....no rear firewall! This car was running deep in the 10's.

Another time, we were at the Autolite Nationals and saw a Stock Eliminator car with the shoulder harness wrapped around the roll bar, tied in a knot and DUCT TAPED!!! No kidding! I couldn't believe my eyes....this was at a National event!!!

I apologize if I infered you weren't a safe racer.

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TomP
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posted 04-07-2001 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see lotsa guys get hassled for silly little stuff, one got kicked out because the rollbar was made of 2" tubing with no side bars... even tho the car didn't run fast enough to need it. Then there are some grey areas where it really is up to the discretion of the individual tech guy ... that can be tough if somebody wants to be nasty... or thinks you believe Roy Clark was the bigger HeeHaw star

Many rules had good intentions but dont apply to every car... most late model cars are illegal when they are stock,but its up to the tech person to use common sense.

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posted 04-07-2001 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things like the rollbar are clearly stated in the rule book, if you have a rollbar it has to meet tech for all rollbars, it does not matter if the car runs fast/quick enough for it. A cage without a net or padding is illegal on a 20 second car.

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posted 04-10-2001 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about Bakersfield, or any track that far west, but I must agree with Just Jim. At many tracks I have visited through out the southeast locals have an easier time in tech. It has also been my experience that the nicer your car, the tougher time in tech.

Hell there was this real prick in Baton Rouge that hated Fords and would tech them to hell and back and he didn't even try to hid the fact.

All I ask for in consistency from car to car and inspector to inspector.

Lets all start taking pictures of the worst tech failures we can find and have a contest. It should be worth a good laugh at least! And showing the pics, along with why it fails tech would be a great educational tool.

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steve'66
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posted 04-13-2001 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds like fun Jay!

Melissa ran an illegal helmet for over a year before anyone checked at Sears Point. The first run of the year, they made a point to check, they let her run anyway as long as Dad promised to buy her a new hat! LOL

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