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Topic: Lobe centers with an A/T on a small block
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Nos351C Gearhead Posts: 3000 From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591 Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 02-26-2001 02:20 AM
Quick refresher course please guys with an A/T its not recommended to run a 108 right? Does that stay true assuming the A/T has a convertor stall set up to match the cam? I know the downsides to the 108 Vs. 110 or 112, like less low RPM power, rougher idle, somewhat "peakier" powerband etc. etc. FYI this is for a 9.5:1 302, mostly street, some "other"... ------------------ Marcus What are we closer to? The moon? Or Europe? My site
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69maverick Gearhead Posts: 897 From: Thomaston,CT. Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 02-26-2001 10:32 AM
From what I know on the street you want to stay more near the 110 side but no more than 112. With the auto.You would really want a stall converter. I'm not sure but I think you would want atleast 10.5:1 if you were to go with the 108 lobe sep.[This message has been edited by 69maverick (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Dave_C Gearhead Posts: 744 From: Gadsden, Al Registered: Aug 99
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posted 02-26-2001 11:06 AM
For that compression ratio the 110 is good. for a lower number you need more.I run a 104 in my 383W, but it has almost 13:1 compression and a 5000+ stall converter. I ran a 106 for a while with the same compression and a 4200 converter and it worked well. Don't really know what efffect it has on idle. Mine will idel in gear at 900 rpm when warmed up. Powerband is pretty wide. comes in around 2500 and pulls very hard all the way to 65-6600. It will rev all the way to 7200 easily, but is shifted at 6800 for consistency. Later, David Cole
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Nos351C Gearhead Posts: 3000 From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591 Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 02-26-2001 12:00 PM
The way I learned it, was that the narrower lobe center would have more valve overlap and as a result have a rougher idle... all the cams I have played with have been 110's... guess I'll stick with what works...------------------ Marcus What are we closer to? The moon? Or Europe? My site
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1547 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 02-26-2001 01:17 PM
For otherwise IDENTICAL camshafts in a typical naturally aspirated engine....Within reasonable limits, a tighter lobe seperation angle makes the power range narrower, but larger. Tighter lobe seperation angles generally produce more peak power. Narrowing the lobe seperation angle also moves the power band LOWER in the rpm range. A 244/254 cam with a 106 LSA will make more power, and make it earlier than an otherwise identical cam with a 114 LSA. However, the 114 cam will idle cleaner and pull more smoothly off idle than the more punchy 106. It will also RPM higher than the 106. Tighter lobe seperaton angles also produce really choppy idles that most of us like. Most drag race cams are around 104-108, while street cars generally use 110-114 lobe seperation angles. For hot street cars, I generally like somewhere between 106-110, unless they rely on nitrous or a blower, then wider can be better. As far as advancing or retarding a cam that's already been ground... Advancing it generally moves the power lower in the rpm range, while retarding the cam (within limits) moves it higher up the scale. This is really just the basics... but enough to get you in trouble. Good Luck!
------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/motorcitymustang/cmml/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19704 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 02-26-2001 03:27 PM
Always 108 or less on a modified SBF with an automatic and low compression. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member Fleet of FoMoCo products Moneymaker Bio US Class Nationals link
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