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Hans olsson
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posted 02-14-2001 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey its me again! What can we expect to gain with a ram air intake ? Is it worth the effort to locate and buy this,we need the piece that is mounted under the hood,we have the air cleaner part. Hans Olsson.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-14-2001 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I believe it is worth it. You know you can buy a reproduction plenum from National Parts Depot or Glazier's Mustang Barn for $125, then instead of the flapper valves, fabricate ducts to mate the scoops to the plenum. I'm planning to do that very mod to my Sprint.

I remember when I had my stock hood I cut a hole in it, put on a velocity stack on my Holley and mounted a 7" snorkle hood scoop and you could really feel the difference!

Currently, I have been running my NASA hood without the scoop block-offs.

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'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
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Mark T 7724
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posted 02-14-2001 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark T 7724   Click Here to Email Mark T 7724     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ram-Air is worth at least a tenth and 1 to 2 MPH in my opinion, We have tested this though and I'm not telling you to spend your money unless you think you need to pick your car up this much.

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Hans olsson
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posted 02-15-2001 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,it sounds like a good idea and at 125$ not to much money,can you help me with the phone number and/or e-mail? . We need to improve the et,we can only run under the index on a good day .Our best is 11.92 -0.08.Maybe we should ask for a hp reduction from the nhra . Perhaps our car is better of in the ihra? Or do they have the same ratings.Thanks for your reply Mark and Steve.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-15-2001 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure, Hans, I happen to have a National Parts Depot catalog handy...

The part number for the plenum is 16613-4A, the price is $124.95

NPD phone number is 1-704-331-0900 {If you can use toll-free, it's 1-800-874-7595}

Their web site is http://www.npdlink.com

If you want to check Glazier's Mustang Barn, it's link is http://www.mustangbarn.com/

Their numbers are:
{1-800-523-6708}
International Customers Call: 215-723-9674

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'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
"If it's not a Ford, it's not mine!"

[This message has been edited by SteveLaRiviere (edited 02-15-2001).]

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-15-2001 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hans, NHRA and IHRA share most of the same HP ratings for Stock and Superstock. Your combination has just been hit by 10 HP in case you were not aware of it. Instead of 285 factored HP, it's now 295 Hans. You would be better off writing to IHRA for a reduction as they are more apt to listen, but due to the amout of very fast 73 351C cars in stock eliminator, I doubt it.

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Hans olsson
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posted 02-16-2001 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,our motor is the -71 351c 285/320hp closed chamber 4v.I dont think anyone is running this combo right now,so no risk for getting hit as of now. If someone has any experience racing this motor please let me know (best et mph or whatever you can think of),with the low lift .430/.450 is it a dead end? Hans


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Moneymaker
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posted 02-16-2001 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, sorry Hans. I thought your car was a 73. (you know all of them 71-73's look alike lol ). There was just a request to the NHRA about HP reduction on the 351C 285/320 during the recent review. It was DENIED! They sighted lack of current competition data as the rational Hans. I suggest that you contact Len Imbrogno at [email protected] and ask that the reduction be reconsidered at the next review. Tell him that you can provide time slips as they would like to see them.

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Hans olsson
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posted 02-16-2001 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex no need to be sorry, i can not tell them apart either ,however i has just recieved confirmation from Curt Lashure of the NHRA that my request is rewiewed. . It would be nice to know who made our combo so highly rated . Later..Hans.

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posted 02-16-2001 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was a gentleman by the name of Don Bowles Hans. A little yellow car (71 Mustang Mach I) called the Coal Digger from the 70's and early 80's. He had a crew chief and engine builder by the name of Jack Roush. Sound familiar?

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Hans olsson
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posted 03-01-2001 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The name sounds indeed familiar.I got my NPD catalog in the mail box today This is just to much,i had no idea of all the parts they have.I will buy the plenum,but i am not sure about the flapper valves,at 349.95 is pretty expensive.Perhaps steve has the right idea,to make ducts that connect the plenum and the nasa scoops in the hood.
Later.. Hans.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-01-2001 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hans olsson:
Perhaps steve has the right idea,

Don't I always?

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posted 03-01-2001 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

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Hans olsson
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posted 03-26-2001 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We did some work on the ramair this weekend and it was easier than expected.In place of the flapper valves we made ducting of aluminium sheet.The ducts fits thigtly to the scoops and we plan to seal them to the plenum with foam rubber.Even the holes in the plenum for the flapper valves can be used to secure the ducts.Two small sheet metal screws on each side.Thanks to you steve for pointing out NPD. Hans.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-26-2001 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pleasure.

Do you use an air filter? If so, what size are you using? I was wondering if my 14x4 air filter will fit in the opening.

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'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
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Hans olsson
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posted 03-26-2001 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Steve, we will try with a filter and if the car runs good it will stay in place. I am not sure what size will fit,but i do not think 14*4 fits.I will measure it tomorrow,and let you know.Perhaps our local ford dealer has one in stock . Hans.

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Hans olsson
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posted 03-27-2001 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve the filter can be no more than 13.25" and 3" high. The ram air is now complete . Hans.

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Dave_C
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posted 03-27-2001 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hans,

That filter size that you specified is the same as a certain Fram part # that is the stock replacement air filter element.

The 13" chrome Motorsport open element breather uses the same part #.

I have that breather on my 383W stroker in my 69 Fastback.

I have a part # for a K & N filter in that size. Basically had to go throught the K & N catalog looking at the dimensions. The filter that I have used for the past 3 years is this K & N. The application was from a Mercedes!.

When I get home from work tonight I will get you the part #. Since you only have room for a limited size filter the K & N may help you out as the restriction is less than a paper filter.

A pic of that filter is here:

Later,

David Cole

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posted 03-27-2001 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
err here:

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-27-2001 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Hans and Dave! Looks like that Motorsport filter is perfect.

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'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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posted 03-28-2001 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The filter is a K & N #-2865. It is the same size (about 1/8" shorter, but same diameter) as a Fram CA340A.

The CA340A is the replacement element for the 13" Motorsport breather and also fits most early 70's 351 cars and trucks.

Later,

David Cole

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