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Ken&Shell
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From: Mocksville, NC
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posted 01-18-2001 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kaylin, Farmington has a question on it's page about using Mulligan's this year instead of Buy Backs. In other words, when you come in gate, you have option to purchase a mulligan. They will not have buybacks. They want to get racers opinions on it. Such as what rounds you could use them, etc. Any here have any opinions on this? Personally I hate all buybacks. If you're out you're out, but then again sometimes they help if you screw up first round.

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Bracketracer
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posted 01-18-2001 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bracketracer   Click Here to Email Bracketracer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been a first round dud, to attheline(Sister in law), while in a points chase. I would love to be able to run that race again. But she won, I beat myself, its over. I think buy backs give the tracks more coin which is good for them. But they dont help you become a better racer. When you do everything right and still lose, accept it. Your Second chance is at the next event. As for attheline beating me I made a come back

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TomP
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posted 01-18-2001 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buybacks are a silly idea that i'm glad hasn't been started around here... you lost? tough!

We have had "King of the hill" and consolation races for those out early ,but the ones that won don't have to keep racing the non-winners till they those.

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kid vishus
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posted 01-18-2001 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't like buybacks either, although they have been helpful before. The last 2 seasons, while hot and heavy in a points chase I have used them to eliminate the other competitors close to me in the standings. But it has been used against me too.Plus I have won 4 races in the last 2 years from a buyback, one of which was a $2000 to win race. Ummm, what was I against.....darn memory, can't remember what I was talking about...

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kwazykat
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posted 01-18-2001 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kwazykat   Click Here to Email kwazykat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey shell..

i emailed farmington because i didnt think they were clear about one thing...

ok...if i purchase a mulligan at the entry gate, and i DONT lose first round....do i loose that mulligan..or do i have a "leftover" to use the next week if i need it...they never replied....

i just dont know anything about the "mulligan" concept...dont mean to sound ignorant.

i like buy-backs, being a very novice racer and driving a long distance to get to the track, i like knowing i can get two competion rounds in.... minimum!!

anyway, the extra $$ helps the track pay for the points team when they go to darlington, so thats okay too! we have a great bunch of folks at our track, and i dont mind pitching in.....

shell, any insight to this?

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kid vishus
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posted 01-18-2001 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I beleive the whole mulligan concept has been brought to light in your neck o' the woods by Steve Taylor and maybe even Frankie Parrish over on dragraceresults.com. There is always guys willing to bit** and complain about buybacks over there and how to get rid of them.
Most people have come to accept them as part of racing. After you have been around something that long it just seems natural.

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Just Jim
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posted 01-18-2001 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Never heard of a "mulligan".What is that?Something served in a bar on St Patricks day,I believe.

I don't believe in buy backs.If you are first round runner up so be it.Having a gamblers race for all first round losers is a good idea however.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 01-19-2001 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like TomP said, the northwest tracks we frequent don`t have buy backs, & I prefer it that way! If I beat somebody in the 1rst round, I don`t think they should have the chance to beat me in the 2nd round.At Mission, if you go out early you can either go into "test&tune" or sometimes make "looney runs". On the looney runs, when there is some time between elim. rounds, the tower will call for those wishing to make looney runs to the staging lanes.A track worker takes $2.00 from you which goes to the tracks ET Finals travel fund.The track also holds daily 50/50 draws, with the proceeds going into the travel fund as well.The last few ET Finals I took part in saw all 48 team members recieving about $125., & at times the entry fee paid.

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Buff Daddy
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posted 01-19-2001 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buff Daddy   Click Here to Email Buff Daddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way I understand Mulligan's, is that it is a buyback that can be used in any round, except for the final. If both finalists have an unused Mulligan (a Mulligan is only good at the race at which it is purchased), the R/U may use it next week. I have heard of some races using a controversial "wild card" buyback, where you can buy back at any point. At one race, a guy lost the final, but bought back, and won the re-run. Personally, I am against the buybacks. You lose, you're out. Last year was my rookie year, and I never lost round 1, so I didn't have to use a buyback even if I had wanted to Also there is talk about a double-elimination style racing, where if you lose third round, you go to round 4 anyways, and if you lose there, you're done. I don't agree with this idea either. There are some threads on this topic at www.dragraceresults.com which is a site dedicated to bracket racing.

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Ken&Shell
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posted 01-19-2001 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kaylin, I believe they are pitchin the mulligan as an insurance policy. If you don't need it, you don't get your money back. My question to the farm was how much would one cost vs the price of buy backs.
That might would change my opinion on them especially if they cost the same. Looks like a good way to make everyone pay more at the gate.

Who mentioned Steve Taylor in a post, Kid vishus was that you? Where are you from.. Steve made me a very popular gal the first year I raced. I got him one night right after I got my car, put him out too. I had people applauding me as I came up the return road. You wouldn't believe how many friends I developed that night. I had only raced a few races in my car. I knew his reputation, but heck everyone had more experience than I did so I wasn't the least bit intimidated.

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Ken&Shell
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posted 01-19-2001 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken&Shell   Click Here to Email Ken&Shell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more thing, Many of our top points guys would go out first round, buy back, and make another 3 or 4 rounds, or even win it after a first round loss. Someone mentioned their tracks having in between round time runs. Down at the farm, there is no time for in between time runs. Some Saturdays this year we would get one time run, go racing, and still run out of time. Our track has developed neighbors that have petitioned our county commissioners for a midnight curfew and been successful.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-23-2001 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO BUY BACKS! You can't buy a lap back in NASCAR!

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