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Bloose
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posted 06-14-2006 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
So after the first coil spring on my wagon nearly took my finger off the car sat for a few months. I've needed to get the other spring out so I can finish up the front end but have been too sissy to do it.

Last night I worked up the courage to give the other side a try. This time I paid close attention to how the internal compressor was positioned. I zip tied the hooks in place. I knew the zip ties wouldn't help contain the hooks but I thought it would at least keep them from slipping on the spring. Slowly and carefully I compressed the spring. I compressed it enough to get the spring out and glanced over the fender to see how it looked (I stood at the front of the car in case it did come apart). When I was sure everything looked good I started to reach for the compressed spring. Then I though, no, before I do that I better put on some heavy leather gloves. I stopped, took a breath, and thought about where the gloves were. While I was standing there thinking the whole shebang came flying out with a loud bang and a boinggggg. Sparks flew and the coil slid across the garage. Had I not stopped to think about my leather gloves that thing would have bulls eyed me in the chest! Someone was watching over me!

So after all that how in the heck do I safely remove and more important at this point, install coil springs on my '68???

Thanks for any help that may save my life in the future.

B-loose

Scott H
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posted 06-14-2006 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott H        Reply w/Quote
Glad you're okay!

Throw out that spring compressor with the stupid little hooks on it!

Do you get to the Chicago are much? I have a compressor I can show you, its easy and inexpensive to make, guaranteed to work, and be safe about it also.

It uses a huge threaded rod down thru the middle of the spring, an old shock absorber bottom piece welded to the rod, and it bolts onto the coil spring saddle. Up top there is a plate you tighten a nut against to draw the spring up into the shock tower.

Rory McNeil
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posted 06-14-2006 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil        Reply w/Quote
I`ve changed a few sets of front coil springs in my 69&70 Mustangs, with no problems. Here is what I did;I got an old rear axle leaf spring U bolt and a standard internal coil spring compressor with 4 hooks. After removing the front shocks, and the 3 square shanked bolts that secure the upper shock mount to the shock tower, I drop the compressor down inside the coil spring from the top, but instead of dropping all the hooks into the spring, I only drop the bottom 2 hooks. I take the U bolt, and lay it flat on the top of the shock tower. I hook the 2 upper compressor hooks over the U bolt, and put the lower hooks as far down the coil spring as possible, and also hook them onto the spring. Now, working thru the shock towers shock hole, from the top, you can tighten the compressor enough to raise the bottom of the spring away from the upper control arm, 1' is sufficent. now remove the 2 upper control arm nuts from studs that go thru the shock tower, pull the arm away from the shock tower, and swivel the control arm outward from the inner fender, by allowing the upper ball joint to act as the pivot. Once the control arm is out of the way, unwind the spring compressor, until the spring is loose.Make certain that the compressors lower hook mount still has sufficent thread engagment so it doesn`t fly apart. Installation is basically the reverse procedure.

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Bloose
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posted 06-14-2006 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
I do get to Chi town every so often but I don't have any plans to be down there soon. I have an idea of what your talking about. Is there any way for you to send me some pictures?

I've used external spring compressors on my Jeep several times with no problems. This internal deal though, 2 fer 2! I will never use it again!!! And I even went through the trouble and cost of getting one made in the US. This is the one time I wish I'd have cheaped out. But then again I would have thought the problem was the tool's quality and the style.

Any pictures would be appriciated.

Thanks,
B-loose

afret
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posted 06-14-2006 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret        Reply w/Quote
Glad you didn't get hurt. I can't believe the problems you are having. I've used an internal spring compressor on my 69 a whole bunch of times. In fact I just took the springs out this morning to adjust the height a bit with a poly spacer on the top of the spring. The whole procedure takes me less than an hour including shock R+R. I've used the same compressor which has a big threaded rod and 4 hooks on it on a 68 Torino and 66 Fairlane with no problems.

Bloose
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posted 06-14-2006 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
Ya that's the type of compressor I have. I also have an external but it doesn't fit in the wheel well. There is no way I am going to use the internal again, Except I may use the screw part to make a compressor like the one mentioned above.

B-loose

Scott H
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posted 06-14-2006 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott H        Reply w/Quote
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/65-73-Mustang-Shelby-Falcon-Coil-Spring-Compressor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33582QQihZ019QQitemZ8074201086QQrdZ1

If this link works...

Bloose
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posted 06-14-2006 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
That's the compressor I should have bought in the first place. I was afraid to buy a hame fabbed one. Looking back it couldn't have been any worse.

Thanks guys,

B-loose

68 Coop
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posted 06-15-2006 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
I just bought one from Mustangs Plus. I hope it don't come to what happened here, I don't have the good luck you do. Is there a safe way to manually cut these out without getting injured? Thanks for any info.

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68mustang351w
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posted 06-15-2006 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68mustang351w        Reply w/Quote
I fortunately havent had to redo my front end yet but am planning on doing it relatively soon. The only thing that might help if you are using an internal compressor is maybe get a thick chain and lock it in place when you finally get it all tightened down. That way if the compressor does slip a bit, it limits the travel and (hopefully) wont be as dangerous... David F.

indyphil
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posted 06-15-2006 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil        Reply w/Quote
Bloose
I used external compressors on my 68, no problems. You do need to take off the little covers. check the front suspension page of my website.

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sodi
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posted 06-15-2006 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi        Reply w/Quote
I also have used the internal compressor and for a buffer I put a chain thru the coil that way if it came apart the chain would slow the eplosion down to a minimum. I can tell you like the instructions say DO NOT use an impact gun to the spring compressor, By the time I finished the big threaded rod thru the middle, the threads were about gone. Potentially dangerous.Good luck Be careful.I know It was like defuseing a a bomb, do I cut the red wire or the blue wire.Anyway take your'e time and becareful

Bloose
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posted 06-15-2006 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
The external compressor I have is just too big and clunky to work. I know there are other outside compressors that should work.

As a note. I wasn't touching the spring or compressor at all when it came apart this time. So the thought of being anywhere near it when compressed gives me the willies. That means I don't think I'd even want to get near it to put the chain around it.

Good luck to anyone who uses one, and please be as safe as possible if you do. Safter glasses, gloves, bullet proof vest etc. I am going to either buy the one listed on e-bay or fashion one up as described above.

B-loose

smblk t-bolt
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posted 06-20-2006 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for smblk t-bolt        Reply w/Quote
great that you dodged that bullet(spring)the power stored in a spring is unbelievable... when i was younger and stupider i had compressed a spring with 2 compressors, one on each side. well in the process of getting the spring out one compressor slipped around the spring so that both were on the same side.... spring was bent in a slinky kinda shape. so i put it out on the lawn so i could veeeery carefully put my 1/2" ratchet to work unwinding the compressors. i stopped for a sec to get something in the shop, leaving the ratchet on one of the compressors when all of a sudden TWANG! no ratchet.. and only one compressor on the spring. i was actually looking at it when it happened but i didnt see a thing. about 5 seconds later i hear something metal land across the street and 2 houses down.. it was the ratchet! since then, i have a very healthy respect for springs

Rustang
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posted 06-21-2006 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott H:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymo tors/65-73-Mustang-Shelby-Falcon-Coil-Spring-Compressor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33582QQihZ019QQitemZ8074201086QQrdZ1
If this link works...

I just ordered one of these bad boys

I'll let you know how it works...maybe


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Bloose
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posted 06-21-2006 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
That's the route I should have gone.

It is the route I'm going now, sort of. Basically I made one myself. I had access to everything I needed and with the descriptions above and the picture I made one up. Turned out very good and I have a spring compressed in the car right now. There is no way for the spring to come out with this setup. Very nice indeed.

If you don't have the steel laying around and a welder, the ebay one is a great way to go. Mine wound up being basically free, because I had everything I needed laying around.

So far mine is working out great. Let me know how your setup works.

B-loose

Moneymaker
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posted 06-21-2006 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
http://www.kd-tools.com/3450.htm

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-21-2006 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
By the way, this is the one that we have and have used for about 25 or so years.


http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3038

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
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Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 06-21-2006 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker        Reply w/Quote
Exactly how did the compressor fail? Did the jaws break? Did the coils slip out of the jaws? Did the threads on the screw strip? I've used the internal type several times on a 1969 Mercury Cyclone.

Tracy

68 S-code GT
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posted 06-22-2006 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
http://www.kd-tools.com/3450.htm


That?s the one I?ve been using for about 25 years and haven?t had a problem. As long as the hooks don?t move there shouldn?t be a problem.

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ackjlo
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posted 06-22-2006 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ackjlo        Reply w/Quote
I use one that I got from NPD. Inexpensive and works great. I've used it several times. twice just yesterday while wearing a heart monitor, lol. Works great. Use a floor jack and the weight of the car as much as possible IE: set the tool in place then compress the suspension with a floor jack, tighened the tool, let the jack down and remove the spring. When compressing the spring to install, make sure the tool is centered in the spring and compress it slowly. I work from the opposite side, on top of the car as much as possible instead of standing in front of the wheel well

Bloose
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posted 06-22-2006 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
That KD tools type is the one I used. The jaws didn't break or bend and the screw didn't strip. The hooks slipped on the spring. Like I said, on the second one I took my time, and made sure everything was correct. I had the spring compressed and it looked good. I didn't even touch it I was just standing and thinking when, BOINGGGGGG, the spring came out.

I've heard this is somewhat common. I made my own like the one for sale on e-bay. The springs went in quickly and smoothly. With that setup barring a bad weld there is really no way for the spring to let loose. I would highly recommend one, or an outside compressor. My outside compressor is too big to fit though.

I'm glad I made one though. Now I have a good tool that works and is safe and I can pull the springs on the FB now and cut a coil out of each spring. I've needed to do that for a while and have been putting it off.

Thanks again,
B-loose

KULTULZ
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posted 06-22-2006 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:

By the way, this is the one that we have and have used for about 25 or so years.

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3038


I hate to start an argument...well, not really...but the 204-076 is made for thin wire strut springs...

This is the type needed on spring over upper control arm;

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4631

FORD used to make a special tool similiar, but was discontinued years ago. There is a company still making one similiar. Let me see if I can find it.

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Bloose
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posted 06-22-2006 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
Wow $450!!! That'd be a nice tool for a shop that does Ford restorations. For the occasional user and maybe even heavy user the E-bay deal is a good bet. With the one on e-bay, other than the tool breaking the spring is captive. That $450 one is the next step above and again in a shop situation where the shop owner is liable I'd spend the big money. For my own use, the e-bay style works good.

When I compressed the pass side for some reason the spring bowed to one side. The thing looked really messed up but it didn't (couldn't) pop out. I gave it a shove to one side and it straightened out. I trusted it enough to stick my hands in there. Not that I wasn't nervous but after staring at it for a while I couldn't see any way for it to pop out, and it didn't. That spring bowing may be the reason for that standard inner compressor poping off, I'm not sure.

BTW, I think this is a pretty good discussion as I am sure many have or need to remove thier coils. I'm hoping my double near miss can help save someone the danger I went through.

I say to anyone that needs to pull their springs either make yourself one or buy the one on e-bay, it's worth the money or time.

B-loose

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[This message has been edited by Bloose (edited 06-22-2006).]

Moneymaker
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posted 06-22-2006 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Mine is still in the old 25 or 30 year old Rotunda box.
(shhhh, don't tell anyone where it came from)

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First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
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KULTULZ
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posted 06-22-2006 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
That is a professioanl tool. It is EURO and used mainly for BMW/MERCEDES and the sort. The model by BRANICK INDUSTRIES is similiar in design (FOMOCO copy) and much more reasonable. It goes inside the spring through the shock mount and holds the coils in cups.

I will try and get you a price tomorrow.

KULTULZ
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posted 06-22-2006 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:

Mine is still in the old 25 or 30 year old Rotunda box.

(shhhh, don't tell anyone where it came from)


Unh-Hunh....

Didn't we have this argument a few months ago with guys saying they don't need a compressor on a upper coil?

KULTULZ
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posted 06-24-2006 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KULTULZ:

The model by BRANICK INDUSTRIES is similiar in design (FOMOCO copy) and much more reasonable. It goes inside the spring through the shock mount and holds the coils in cups.

I will try and get you a price tomorrow.



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BRANICK used to make a coil spring compressor that was especially suited for FORD coil spring riding on the upper control arm (1960/1975 intermediates). Is this compressor still available (operated on inside of spring) and where is a distributor around Washington, DC?

Gary Scott
PRO-TECH MOBILE TOOLS
Rockville, MD 20852
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From : Tim Rheault
Sent : Friday, June 23, 2006 3:56 PM
To :
Subject : Compressor

Good afternoon Gary

we no longer manufacture this tool, it was the model MSC526. this was discontinued seven years ago.

Thanks Tim
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...damn...

Kept putting it off....

Even let a Genuine get away from me on E-BAY...


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KULTULZ
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posted 06-24-2006 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rustang:

I just ordered one of these bad boys

I'll let you know how it works...maybe


Rustang,

Please get back with your results. This seems about the only way to go now.

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posted 06-24-2006 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rustang@home        Reply w/Quote
Took one side off today. It went pretty well. I think if I was going to make one I'd make it a little sturdier, but the way it works you only have to compress the spring about 2" (enough to get the upper a-arm out) so there's not alot of force when compared to a fully compressed spring.

I'll probably do the other side tomorrow. The way it functions though, the spring can't come out unless the compressor itself fails.

F15Falcon
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posted 06-26-2006 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for F15Falcon        Reply w/Quote
I am the one who makes and sells the above mentioned compressors. I started making them almost 20 years ago, and I have sold hundreds at swap meets, car shows and finally on Ebay for the last 5 years. As mentioned above, there is no way that the spring can come flying out because it is captured between the lower saddle and the shock tower. I still have the original tool I made almost 20 years ago, and I have used it dozens of times in my shop. I have never had a complaint, or a failure in all the years I have been selling them.

Rustang
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posted 06-26-2006 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang        Reply w/Quote
Other side went well.
I feel better knowing it's someone who posts on here!
F15, you're the one with that low buck falcon, correct?

F15Falcon
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posted 06-26-2006 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for F15Falcon        Reply w/Quote
That's me. I don't post that much, but I read alot.

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