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65ponycar
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posted 01-06-2005 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65ponycar   Click Here to Email 65ponycar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm interested in purchasing a lift plate (intake) to be used with my 302, a universal style. I've borrowed a couple before and would like to buy one now.

Anyone use this one? I'm looking at the steel one, not the Al.

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=163214&prmenbr=361

Or if you know of a better one (quality) please post. I don't care about flashy appearance as much as quality of materials and craftsmanship. It's a basic tool, but needs to be safe.

Thanks.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-06-2005 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's the same one I have, I bought mine from Alex.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 01-06-2005 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've looked at those babies too,,,but have always passed them up.

My reasoning for passing on them was I just figured I'd be too nervous to be lifting, jerking, pulling, pushing, on my engine while it was being held in the air by only those four dinky studs screwed into aluminum threads!! The plate may be able to lift 1000#, I'm just not so sure about whether or not the carb studs would handle it!!

Has anyone ever had or hear of anyone having the studs break off or pull out while using one of these plates??? (...maybe it only has happened in my nightmares... )

Ryan

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68 S-code GT
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posted 01-06-2005 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
My reasoning for passing on them was I just figured I'd be too nervous to be lifting, jerking, pulling, pushing, on my engine while it was being held in the air by only those four dinky studs screwed into aluminum threads!! The plate may be able to lift 1000#, I'm just not so sure about whether or not the carb studs would handle it!!

That?s the way I feel about them but haven?t seen it happen yet.

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65ponycar
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posted 01-08-2005 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65ponycar   Click Here to Email 65ponycar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made the trip to Columbus, Jeg's main retail store on 11th avenue. Very nice showroom, checked out the floor model lift plate and it looked 'ok' so I went ahead and purchased one.

Thanks for all the posts, I too was a bit uneasy about supporting the motor with only 4 bolts snugged into an aluminum intake, but after some simple math I really don't think (unless you are using questionable parts/equipment) that there is any reason to be worried about it. Besides, let alone the probable millions of swaps performed this very same way, yet no one has reportedly been injured to due the lift point failing... oh well, just something to keep in mind for me...

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-08-2005 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you look into the tensile strenght of bolts you'll find you have nothing to worry about.

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qtrmiler
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posted 01-08-2005 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for qtrmiler   Click Here to Email qtrmiler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just did a 351C & FMX with one using cheap fender bolts & an aluminum intake. Used one on the 466 in my Mustang too

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-08-2005 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
If you look into the tensile strenght of bolts you'll find you have nothing to worry about.


It's the strength of the aluminum that surroundes the high tensile strength bolts that have always concerned me. Guess my fears are unfounded, but wonder..........

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sigtauenus
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posted 01-09-2005 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
It's the strength of the aluminum that surroundes the high tensile strength bolts that have always concerned me. Guess my fears are unfounded, but wonder..........

Mee too.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 01-09-2005 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
It's the strength of the aluminum that surroundes the high tensile strength bolts that have always concerned me. Guess my fears are unfounded, but wonder..........

Me Three!

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 01-09-2005 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
It's the strength of the aluminum that surroundes the high tensile strength bolts that have always concerned me. Guess my fears are unfounded, but wonder..........

ME FOUR!!

I figure that a few EDELBROCK engineers must have seen enough aluminum thread failures to go to the expense of installing steel thread inserts into the bolt holes of all their aluminum cylinder heads that they sell today.

Add to that my concern that when using a used intake, the carb stud threads may have suffered from some "dis-similar metal coorosion" or otherwise previously damaged aluminum threads, that otherwise may not hold up as well as when the manifold was new....

Nevertheless - GOOD LUCK!
Ryan

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Fastymz
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posted 01-09-2005 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a lift plate too. I didn't use it on my motor. But we have used it on 3 other motors. I too worried about it with an aluminum manifold.
I have to say when you use the plate it does make getting motor in and out of the car a lot more easy. The motor tends to stay level.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 01-11-2005 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
....we have used it on 3 other motors. I too worried about it with an aluminum manifold.

One last thought: I probably wouldn't have nearly as much concern IF if the intake was a cast-iron piece........ Cast-iron threads would take a lot more than aluminum threads.

Ryan

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chilly460
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posted 01-11-2005 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chilly460   Click Here to Email chilly460     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never really worried about using a lift plate in an aluminum manifold...I'd rather have a direct pull on the bolt then a sideways pull on a bolt screwed into the head. I recently did a 390 like this, no problem.

What do guys do with an aluminum headed engine, and not using a lift plate?

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-13-2005 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have an old Shelby lettered intake on an 89 5.0. Got that intake off a car I bought and sold. Have had it on one car myself and wonder how many had that intake on something.There's just no way I'd lift an engine with the threads on that one!

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 01-13-2005 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
Have an old Shelby lettered intake....and wonder how many had that intake on something.

Yep, I ran one of those intakes for a while on my 306", 4-speed racer. I liked it. Very similar in looks as the old Edelbrock F4B intakes....

I took it off and installed a Stealth - however, I didn't notice any measurable ET/MPH improvement or loss.

Ryan

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