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66bluefb
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Posts: 537
From: Okla.City,Okla.
Registered: May 2002

posted 05-04-2004 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb        Reply w/Quote
I came across this class action lawsuit against air compressor makers that overstated the horse power in their products.
http://www.aircompressorsettlement.com/index.php3

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86-302 HO bored .030 over crank .010 under,
B-303 cam ,harland sharp roller rockers,
performer rpm intake, 625 carter,AFR 165 heads.C-4 2500 stall
,granada disc brakes, 85 duraspark ignition, pony interior,the who,the doors,and ccr full blast on the stereo

sigtauenus
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Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 05-04-2004 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus        Reply w/Quote
I think I'm in that boat, aren't Craftsman compressors actually made by Devilbiss? I'll have to check...

Really torqued me a couple years after I bought my blast cabinet that is supposed to work fine with a 5hp compressor, but lo and behold, my "6.5" hp Craftsman can't keep up.

66bluefb
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Posts: 537
From: Okla.City,Okla.
Registered: May 2002

posted 05-04-2004 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb        Reply w/Quote
yes i think any air compressor made is on the list.

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http://ourworld.cs.com/blagintony/myhomepage/auto.html
86-302 HO bored .030 over crank .010 under,
B-303 cam ,harland sharp roller rockers,
performer rpm intake, 625 carter,AFR 165 heads.C-4 2500 stall
,granada disc brakes, 85 duraspark ignition, pony interior,the who,the doors,and ccr full blast on the stereo

lyle29464
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Posts: 1026
From: Mt. Pleasant S.C.
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-04-2004 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464        Reply w/Quote
I have one. The thing that gets me on this compressor is the crank and rods. They use a spacer between the rods. the spacer is the only thing that contacts the crank. Bottom line is. 1/16 of an inch is all the contact on the rod surface Mine has went out several times.

thanks a lot for the post. I will see if i can get 50 bucks in spacers.

mustangs68
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Posts: 27681
From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: May 99

posted 05-04-2004 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68        Reply w/Quote
Whew!!!

I though you guys were pointing the air gun up your butts and now suing the Companies cause you were now full of air

sigtauenus
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Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
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posted 05-05-2004 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus        Reply w/Quote
No Sam, the problem was when you put the blow gun up your butt, nothing happens!!!

ccode67
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Posts: 3285
From: douglasville,ga,usa
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 05-05-2004 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
Whew!!!

I though you guys were pointing the air gun up your butts and now suing the Companies cause you were now full of air


HEY, be careful. We have always been known to do a lot of horseplay at the newspaper, an air blast at a co-workers butt was always funny, until, it was too close, he ended up with a ruptured colon (no he wasn't naked when it happenned) and almost died. High pressure air hoses are NOT toys.
Last I heard he was still living, retired many years ago, must be 80 by now.

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mustangs68
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Posts: 27681
From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: May 99

posted 05-05-2004 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68        Reply w/Quote
Now we know where that warning on the lable came from!

MLariviere
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From: Biddeford,Me.USA
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posted 05-05-2004 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere        Reply w/Quote
Have you seen the nuts on TLC inflating their mouths to be funny? They should be busted for doing that on TV. Someone will die from that ignorance.

ddenton749
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posted 05-07-2004 01:43 PM              Reply w/Quote
If I read the site correctly, my Porter-Cable 7 hp, 220 volt compressor is not one on the list. Does anybody else agree?

stang68
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Posts: 579
From: Buckroe Beach ,Hampton,Va.
Registered: Jun 2004

posted 10-31-2004 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang68        Reply w/Quote
i been thinking of purchasing a air compressor saw one at sears recently for 199.00 on sale...just for light stuff around the garage..lug nuts kinda of stuff..

Any suggestions???

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Skip
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Robert K
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From: Nashville, TN
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posted 10-31-2004 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert K        Reply w/Quote
I finally got tired of all the air compressor b.s. which this lawsuit pretty well sums up. I bought air compressors with 3 and 6 HP respectively only to be disappointed with their performance. I decided to wise-up and do some research on these so-called "6 HP" etc. compressors. I found out that they're not really 6HP motors but that the manufacturers fudge that number by gearing up the motor with different size pulleys etc. I ended up buying a Quincy 80 gallon 'honest to god' 5 HP compressor and it blows everything else away (pun intended). It should be the last compressor I'll ever need. Yes, I know it was overkill but it operates my blast cabinet plus the large air capacity tools like die grinders and sanders with absolutely no problem. I love it !!

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SteveLaRiviere
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Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99

posted 11-01-2004 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang68:
i been thinking of purchasing a air compressor saw one at sears recently for 199.00 on sale...just for light stuff around the garage..lug nuts kinda of stuff..

Any suggestions???


I have a 2 hp I kick myself for buying every time I use it. My next will be 5 hp or nothing. I hate waiting for my compressor to catch up.

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n2oMike
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Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 11-01-2004 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
Don't go by 'horsepower' ratings. Those things get WAY overinflated.

Purchase a 240V compressor with a 2-stage pump.

If you want to run 'air hog' tools, (grinders, sanders, sand blasters, etc) you'll NEED the 240V motor and 2-stage pump.

A REAL 5hp motor is a sizable unit that runs off 240V. There are no commonly available 120V motors that put out anywhere near 5hp. If they did, they'd be drawing more current than the breaker would handle! It would have to consume 31 amps to put out 5hp... The '5hp' 120V motors on my shop vac and air compressor both run just fine off a 20amp breaker... and that's with lights and other things plugged into the circuit and running at the SAME TIME!

Serious compressor = 240V and 2-stage pump

Hobby compressor = 120V motor and single stage pump

It takes both the big motor and 2-stage pump to run the 'air hog' tools if you want to spend most of your time working instead of waiting for the compressor to pump up.

Just be aware these units will START around $800... and that's for a generic one. A good Quincy or equivalent will go for close to twice that. (but will last a hunderd years with good maintenance)

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
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65ponycar
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Posts: 873
From: Dayton, OH
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 11-01-2004 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65ponycar        Reply w/Quote
Agree with the last posts. I have a Sears Craftsman $300 one. Its the 6.5 horse, 30 gallon you see in the Sears ad every week. All-in-all not a bad buy, however my only complaint is the noise level-- this thing is LOUD as heck! Sometimes it gets to you enough to put it outside the garage!
Also I don't work past say 8 or so in the evenings with it or before 8 or so in the morning to be considerate of the neighbors, it is loud!

BTW, if you are planning to do lug nuts, be prepared to shell out the $$ for a decent gun. The 'free' kits you get with it are, well, you get what you paid for!

n2oMike
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Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 11-01-2004 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
Yes, the oil-less direct drive compressors are noisy as h*ll!!! Mine is a belt drive, and sounds much less harsh, but is still a 'weenie' 120V '5hp' model with a single stage pump. Great for air wrenches and pumping up tires, but not anywhere near enough for 'air hog' tools.

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

stang68
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Posts: 579
From: Buckroe Beach ,Hampton,Va.
Registered: Jun 2004

posted 11-02-2004 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang68        Reply w/Quote
Thanks steve mike and 65pony...looking and reading hard on your ideas ...kinda leaning towards that craftsman one but not all the way there yet still investagating...i can justify 300 on a loud one but 800 is kinda pushing the envelope...but like u said u get what u pay for..then tools for it ....

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Skip
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-03-2004 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Not only are those oilless ones loud, they vibrate like crazy, too. My brother has a Craftsman 6 hp, {I think} and it travels around the garage as it runs. You actually have to tie it down to keep it in one place.

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'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

n2oMike
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Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 11-04-2004 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
I was looking at my Coleman Powermate 'Professional' 120V 5hp single stage compressor, and it has 15amps written right on it....

In electrical terms,

1hp = 746Watts
Watts = Volts x Amps
so,
5hp = 5 x 746, which is 31amps!

15amps is a little less than 2.5hp... and that is the maximum power consumed by the motor, not the amount produced by it! Therefore, my 5hp motor is actually putting out less than 2hp once it's efficiency is taken into account.

Oh well, it was fairly inexpensive, it's not super noisy with it's seperate belt driven oil style pump, and it runs air ratchets just fine. Just don't expect these units to run the 'air hogs'.

The 'cfm' ratings also seem to be rather inflated.....

You get what you pay for!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

Ryan Wilke
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Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 11-05-2004 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke        Reply w/Quote
Very interesting, n2oMike!
You're one smart fella!!!!
Thanks for sharing!

Ryan

Dubz
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Posts: 2005
From: Manitoba Canada
Registered: Oct 2002

posted 11-08-2004 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz        Reply w/Quote
thank goodness i have a 240V compressor, saved me alot of reading :P

stang68
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From: Buckroe Beach ,Hampton,Va.
Registered: Jun 2004

posted 11-09-2004 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang68        Reply w/Quote
i was over to home of the depot and they have some huffys that looked interesting..cheaper than sears...and the hunt goes on...

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Skip
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Bloose
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Posts: 888
From: Milwaukee, WI
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 12-15-2004 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose        Reply w/Quote
I learned this lesson long ago when I was looking at compressors. The HP rating of a compressor really means very little. I was looking at some really pricey units and they were way under the HP rating of the consumer units. I asked the dealer what was up and he said don't even bother with the HP rating, look at the [email protected], that is a much better indicator of the units output.

I wound up with a Craftsman 6hp 220V direct drive because of price. But at least I knew what I was getting. I am happy with it and other than being a bit loud it has served me very well. If I run a die grinder it runs non stop so head porting is out but other than that it has served my ever need, and has never needed servicing of any kind.

wish I could have gotten the $50 worth of tools though.

B-loose

TurboTiger
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From: London, UK
Registered: Jan 2005

posted 01-02-2005 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TurboTiger        Reply w/Quote
Even though this is embarassing for me to admit on here, I kind of enjoy being pumped up a bit with an air hose!

I did wonder why mechanics seem to keep doing it to each other...

One day I might ask a mechanic to check my air pressure.

LOL. :-)

65ponycar
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Posts: 873
From: Dayton, OH
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 03-22-2005 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65ponycar        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 66bluefb:
I came across this class action lawsuit against air compressor makers that overstated the horse power in their products.
http://www.aircompressorsettlement.com/index.php3



I filled out the paperwork on this way back when, today a package was on my doorstep!

25' air hose (decent grade, sub-par compared to my craftsmen hose but ok)
tire air chuck - excellent quality - same one as craftsmen puts their name on
and a roll of teflon tape

anyone else get anything ?

tim1859
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Posts: 29
From: Indiana
Registered: Dec 2004

posted 04-18-2005 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tim1859        Reply w/Quote
I got my stuff a couple of months ago. A paint sprayer, a set of 3/8" drive black oxide sockets (mixed SAE and metric) and a couple of rolls of teflon tape.

sigtauenus
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From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 04-30-2005 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus        Reply w/Quote
my stuff still hasn't come in yet.

66bluefb
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Posts: 537
From: Okla.City,Okla.
Registered: May 2002

posted 04-30-2005 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb        Reply w/Quote
I got my stuff a couple of months ago.My father in law got his too.

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86-302 HO bored .030 over crank .010 under,
B-303 cam ,harland sharp roller rockers,
performer rpm intake, 625 carter,AFR 165 heads.C-4 2500 stall
,granada disc brakes, 85 duraspark ignition, pony interior,the who,the doors,and ccr full blast on the stereo

Fastback68
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Posts: 4511
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99

posted 05-17-2005 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68        Reply w/Quote
I've had a compressor for years, and not once has it ever occurred to me to stick it up my butt! If I'm really careful, is it worth the effort?

65ponycar
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Posts: 873
From: Dayton, OH
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 05-17-2005 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65ponycar        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
I've had a compressor for years, and not once has it ever occurred to me to stick it up my butt! If I'm really careful, is it worth the effort?

65ponycar
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Posts: 873
From: Dayton, OH
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 05-17-2005 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65ponycar        Reply w/Quote
I completely missed where that guy posted above in this post! Also I did a search on his name to see what his other 3 posts were - same topic!
Turbo Tiger

still will keep the though, was he serious and is "pumping yourself up" for real??? haha

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