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ChitownEd
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posted 03-10-2005 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChitownEd   Click Here to Email ChitownEd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need a little help from the Cleveland guys out there. I am looking for a 4V intake. There was one in particular that was a Motorsport piece. It is a high-rise, single plane. It was probalby last made in the mid 90's. There is an Aussie company that makes one similar, but its not what I'm looking for. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-10-2005 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part # ?

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ChitownEd
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posted 03-11-2005 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChitownEd   Click Here to Email ChitownEd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Money,
dont have the #. I have talked to tons of people they remember it, but no one has the number. I threw away a lot of old catalogs about three years ago, including Motorsport Catalogs. I know, not too bright.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-11-2005 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This should help:
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/DanJones351CIntakes.html

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Daniel Jones
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posted 03-11-2005 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got the old Motorsport catalogs. I don't believe they made such an
intake explicitly for 4V heads (with a 4V port size and 351C end seal rail
shape). I think the intake you are referring to was really an intake made
for the Cleveland-based aluminum high port heads. There were several that
will bolt up to 351C heads but they have smaller port than a 4V head (either
A3 or C302 port sizes). The intakes were made for Ford Motorsport by Roush
or Edelbrock. Part numbers were of the form M-9424-A331. They were made to
fit either 9.2" deck (Cleveland) or 9.5" deck (Windsor), often using the same
basic casting that was then milled and drilled to fit the desired block. The
ones that fit a 9.2" deck were:

Edelbrock A331 (A3 port size)
Roush A331 (C302 port size, a completely different intake from the Edel A331)
Roush B351
Edelbrock D351

The Edelbrock Victor AH II is a similar intake but was not marketed through
Ford Motorsport and did not carry a Ford Motorsport part number. Only the
Edelbrock and Rosuh A331's were cast with the 351C end seal rail, though
the others can be trimmed to match. Beware Ford used some of the same part
numbers for later Yates heads intakes and often the 9.5" deck versions would
be modified after the fact to fit a 9.2" deck block.

I've got one of each of these intakes here and can send pictures if you
send me an email address.

Dan Jones

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ChitownEd
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posted 03-11-2005 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChitownEd   Click Here to Email ChitownEd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan,
My email is: [email protected] The picture would be apprieciated. I'm not looking to do any major mods on the intake for a Saturday Night Special kinda engine. I have tried to deal with FPP, but unless you like in Ca., tring to catch Ron or anyone else there is a major hassle. Are you familiar with Patrick Racing in Australia?
they also market a 351C intake. I'm basically looking for a high-rise single plane manifold that is not what you will on every Cleveland engine.

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Daniel Jones
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posted 03-11-2005 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
> The picture would be apprieciated.

I just remembered I'd posted a few pictures of the Roush A331 already:

http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/Motorsport%20a331%201.jpg
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/Motorsport%20a331%202.jpg
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/Motorsport%20a331%203.jpg

The Roush A331 bolts right onto a 351C block and heads, is a dry intake
(no Windsor type thermostat housing) and has the proper end seal rail
shape.

Here's a picture of an Edelbrock C351:

http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/Dans%20intake%20a%201.jpg

The one pictured is for a 9.5" deck block but the D351 version is the
same casting but is milled and drilled for a 9.2" deck block.

> I'm not looking to do any major mods on the intake for a Saturday Night
> Special kinda engine.

Some of the high port intakes will bolt right on. Others may not
cover the lower part of the port unless you are running the Roush port
inserts.

> Are you familiar with Patrick Racing in Australia? they also market a 351C
> intake.

I've not heard of them. Parker Racing makes 351C intakes in Australia,
as does TFC, CHI, Active, and Redline.

> I'm basically looking for a high-rise single plane manifold that is not
> what you will on every Cleveland engine.

If you want something different you need one of these:

http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/dans%20intake%20106.JPG
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/dans%20intake%20107.JPG
http://www.panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/dans%20intake%20108.JPG

That's a Bud Moore maxi-plenum for a 351C.

Dan Jones

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ChitownEd
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posted 03-11-2005 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChitownEd   Click Here to Email ChitownEd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan,
Thanks for all the help. I think I have found my intake in the Roush A331. If you ever want to check out that Aussie intake, check out www.parkerracing.com.au
Again, thanks for all the input.
Ed

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Daniel Jones
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posted 03-11-2005 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, you mean Terry Parker's intake. I think you called it Patrick Racing the first time which is what confused me. Jim Sams has one of Terry's intakes. I don't think he's run it yet but he said the flow bench numbers were promising.

I'll try bolting up an A331 to a 4V head this weekend.

Dan Jones

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Daniel Jones
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posted 03-13-2005 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like the Roush A331 will cover the 4V port. The port is narrower with a higher floor and a higher roof. I also checked a CHI 3V intake and it appears to fit within the 4V port outline.

Dan Jones

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compactford
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posted 03-13-2005 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for compactford   Click Here to Email compactford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a guy in australia who is selling one of these manifolds( I think it is the one you want)

He was wanting $400 aust dollars tho + shipping may make it tooo expensive I think...but if you want more info just holler...i will track him down..he was at a swap meet recently selling it

Its a bugger when your on the other side of the world

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ChitownEd
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posted 03-14-2005 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChitownEd   Click Here to Email ChitownEd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I can find an intake on this continent :-)...
Dan, my only concern would be port matching my heads to fit the A331. My heads have not been touched yet. I'm trying to locate someone in Chicago who is Cleveland-friendly. I am a little tired calling some places who say, "you mean windsor?" or the "spend the money on aluminum".. I know many other Cleveland guys have heard the same. I know you are not too far away. Any recommendations? My heads are "GA" castings.
The bottom end is set. '71 block, .030 over. Stock rods(peened & fluxed) ARP bolts. FPP oil pump & pushrod(hi-volume) Crank, rods, pistons, balanced. BRC pistons(with the heads, I should be in the 11-11.5:1 area. I have not purchased my cam yet, since I want to make sure it will match the intake. I had the oiling system set up for a solid roller. Tips? Suggestions? I printed you Cleveland build up: nice stuff.

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scperf
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posted 03-17-2005 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scperf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you called Steven Peterson Performance in Galesburg, Ill.? He might be a couple of hours from you but he's big on Clevelands.

This question is aimed toward Dan. How do the Rouch and CHI intakes compare to the Holley Strip Dominator?

I'm building a Cleveland now also, and was curious about these other intakes. I have the Strip Dominator already but, I'm not opposed to change.

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Daniel Jones
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posted 03-18-2005 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
> Dan, my only concern would be port matching my heads to fit the A331.

You could ignore it or weld up the intake to match. It's not a large
amount (maybe an 1/8"?).

> I know you are not too far away. Any recommendations?

Moneymaker might know someone in your area.

> Tips? Suggestions?

Nothing springs to mind. Sounds like you're on the right track.

> This question is aimed toward Dan. How do the Rouch and CHI intakes
> compare to the Holley Strip Dominator?

The Roush and CHI intakes look to be more modern designs but were
made to match C302 and CHi heads, respsectively. How well they work
on 4V heads, I'm not sure. However, Dave Mclain plans to do some
back-to-back drag strip testing sometime this year with a CHI, Strip
Dominator, and Torker. If time permits, I'd like to see how a Blue
Thunder and Roush stack up as well.

Dan Jones

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