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Stan
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From: Castro Valley, CA
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posted 05-11-2006 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tallked with Ron B about this the other day. This really sucks!
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060510/MONEY/605100302

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Moneymaker
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posted 05-11-2006 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
F*cking bullsh*t!

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capri man
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posted 05-11-2006 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/020891.html

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rmousir
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From: Amelia, Ohio
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posted 05-11-2006 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rmousir   Click Here to Email rmousir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is just wrong. It is independent companies like Mustangs+ that help to promote the Ford product. I don't see how ford can do that. Or even why they would. I would think that they would want more companies like that.

No wonder why Ford is hurting with the attitude they have. That is a shameful way for a company like Ford to act. Mustangs+ ROCKS!

What can we do to help?

Richard.

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RICKS
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posted 05-11-2006 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RICKS   Click Here to Email RICKS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a nightmare. These types of attacks by Ford have been ongoing for years now, this is just the first time you've seen a Mustang parts supplier get the cannon aimed at them...

Back in 1976 my dad decided on a name that did not paint him into any corner, either geographically, or by product line, not knowing what the future would bring, and not wanting to limit himself to just one car. I've gotta remind him how wise he was back then, it's sure saved us from a nightmare.

But even beyond the name of the company, ALL OF US in this industry are wondering what Ford's attorneys are going to try to do next. Already, if you look at the cover of your latest NPD catalog, you can see the disclaimer we have in place, and the precise wording we use prior to the use of "Mustang". We've been playing it as safe as we can figure it, but it seems there's no limit to the corporate stupidity at hand here. It would be one thing if this industry were so poorly represented, that it created a blemish or black eye for the Mustang name. But that's not the case at all. This industry et al does a wonderful job by its customers, and a wonderful job helping keep those classics pristine, preserving the American tradition that is Mustang, such that Ford actually has a living legacy remaining to cash in on with its newest retro designs. Without us having kept all those cars on the road, and on the showfields, in front of the kids, there would be no Mustang today as you see it.

Anyhow, this is sad news to see. Sad that a company like Ford is so shortsighted. Henry is doing backflips in his grave. But don't think this type of behavior is limited to Ford. Classic Industries and Original Parts Group used to have trademarked Chevy names in their names. They switched up back in the late 80's, due to a foul odor they began smelling downwind from Michigan.

A letter-writing campaign helped save the Mustang from a front-wheel-drive Mazda-powered fate in the late 80's. Maybe the MCA could organize a similar effort today.

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silverblueBP
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From: Bend, Oregon
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posted 05-11-2006 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverblueBP   Click Here to Email silverblueBP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sent Ford (Corporate) an email stating my opinion on this. We'll see what they have to say....if anything ;^)

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kinger44
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From: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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posted 05-11-2006 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kinger44   Click Here to Email kinger44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, I have always wondered how all of these companies were allowed to use the Mustang name. I have been so amazed at how many aftermarket Mustang suppliers there are, and most have Mustang in their name. I can't believe that after all these years they would do this and tick off their most loyal fan base - US! They aren't selling parts for classic Stangs, so where is the gain for them?

This is almost as bad as the Olympics and Super Bowl names!

Hey Alex, you got a letter yet? Will this place have to become "blueovalponycarsandmore"???

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69 Sportsroof
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From: Valley, Alabama, USA
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posted 05-11-2006 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm kind of on the fence with this issue. I can see Ford's point. Afterall, the parts folks are selling under the Mustang name aren't even produced by Ford so they aren't receiving any direct revenue from the use of their trademark. On the other hand, as mentioned these parts do allow us to keep our cars on the road and in view of the buying public. Folks are flocking to buy the new Mustangs because they want a cool looking car that has great performance without having to get their hands dirty.

The Schmidt's had the right idea. Good for them and good for us.

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gmliebau
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From: Port St. Lucie, FL
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posted 05-11-2006 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gmliebau   Click Here to Email gmliebau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So should every vendor that uses the word "Mustang" in their name start to worry? What about the web forums? Are we in trouble here at Mustangs and More? Should I even say the word?.....MUSTANG

Come and get me!!!

What a waste of time & money. Maybe Ford will start selling aftermarket resotration parts and charging twice the amount as everyone else.

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SugarlandStang
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posted 05-11-2006 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SugarlandStang   Click Here to Email SugarlandStang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Ford corporation is really ticking me off. First they decide to be a pro-homosexual corporation, ie. funding "gay marriage day" in Detroit, and now this... No wonder they are losing money. Until the stock holders fire the CEO, this kind of stupidity will continue.

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Darryl Eichenlaub
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From: Buckley,Wa.
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posted 05-12-2006 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darryl Eichenlaub   Click Here to Email Darryl Eichenlaub     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an ugly situation, one aspect no one mention, is Ford got bit by the same bug when Carroll Shelby sued. He won his case and Ford couldn't use Cobra and GT350 without paying. Now he has made money hand over fist. His name now on anything get as 4x as much with out. The sad thing about all of this is it comes down to the almighty buck. When this is all said and done the CEO will be making millions and the lawyers will be getting rich.

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1965 Mustang Coupe restomod 289,c4,body and interior mods.
1956 F-100 460,c6,9" major body mods, on going project.
1967 Mustang Fastback, father/son project 5.0,5spd,9".
1975 F250 4x4 Highboy 390,4spd,35",custom paint.
2002 Mustang v6,5spd, daughters college ride.
2001 Ford Escape, Wifes grocery getter.

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senzstang
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From: perry, oh, usa
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posted 05-12-2006 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for senzstang   Click Here to Email senzstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Darryl Eichenlaub:
. The sad thing about all of this is it comes down to the almighty buck. When this is all said and done the CEO will be making millions and the lawyers will be getting rich.



So true.

And sadly, a hard working guy like Mustangs Plus owner is going to take in the tailpipe.

I think I am going to order something from MustangsPlus just to lend some support.

Phil

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Blacksmith
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From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 05-12-2006 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blacksmith   Click Here to Email Blacksmith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gmliebau:
Should I even say the word?.....MUSTANG

Come and get me!!!

What a waste of time & money. Maybe Ford will start selling aftermarket resotration parts and charging twice the amount as everyone else.


Better get ALL your parts while you still can.
Ed, Shelby's Goons are liable to come after us too...

We can always refer to our cars as Rustangs. That IS what most of them were before we got ahold of them anyway...

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gmliebau
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posted 05-12-2006 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gmliebau   Click Here to Email gmliebau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe. I've only got a few emblems to get. Maybe less than $100 worth of stuff.

...and for the record, my car hasn't a single spec of rust on it. I WILL NOT refer to it as a Rustang. hehe... Muttang maybe.

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sigtauenus
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From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 05-13-2006 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My letter, which will go in the mail Monday. Not sure if it will do anything or not, but as has been posted over at Sam's Place, an old fashioned letter with an ink signature will hold more water than anything sent via email. I'm thinking I'll send one to each of them...

William Clay Ford, Jr.
FORD MOTOR COMPANY
ONE AMERICAN ROAD
DEARBORN MI 48126

William Clay Ford, Director Emeritus
FORD MOTOR COMPANY
ONE AMERICAN ROAD
DEARBORN MI 48126

Dear Mr. Ford,
I am writing to express my concern about the recent actions of your legal department with regard to the protection of the Mustang trademark.

I consider myself to be an avid Mustang enthusiast, and currently own two of them, one a 1968 Mustang fastback, and the other a 2003 Mustang Mach 1. Although I have to admit that my interest in Mustangs was founded in the classic 65-68 styling, the recent styling changes have renewed my interest in the new models. These are not the only Ford products I currently own or have owned, but are representative of the fact that I am a loyal Ford customer, particularly in regard to the Mustang.

The information I am receiving is that Ford・s legal department is taking action against businesses that have the word ・Mustang・ as part of their business name, webpage, or other advertising mediums. This action requires the business to not only change their name, but destroy any and all property that displays that name, and remit $10,000 to Ford Motor Company.

My concern with this action lies in the fact that I rely upon these businesses to provide me with restoration parts for my 1968 Mustang. This legal action will not only make it harder to locate businesses that specifically cater to the Mustang restoration hobby, but will make all of my future purchases more expensive as the action Ford is taking will incur significant expenses that will likely be passed on to the consumer.

As a loyal consumer, I am personally offended by this legal action that is being taken against businesses that cater to the Mustang and consider it a huge ・slap in the face.・ Considering the success of the Mustang and the intense loyalty of Mustang owners, the legal action being taken is seen as Ford Motor Company ・cutting off the hand that feeds it.・ I see this action as an attack on the very businesses that have maintained the classic Mustang and propelled the success of current models with the promotion of popular aftermarket products.

I understand the need to protect the Mustang trademark, particularly in light of the highly publicized debacles surrounding the names ・Futura・, ・GT-40・, and ・Cobra.・ I also understand the need to protect Ford from damages that may be incurred due to the misuse of the trademark ・Mustang,・ due to its common association with Ford Motor Company.

I feel that a more prudent method of protecting that trademark, as it applies to business that cater to the Mustang hobby, would be the official licensing of the ・Mustang・ name as it is incorporated in any existing and future business names. This is particularly important to businesses that sell Mustang parts, keeping our cars on the road longer (effectively free advertising for Ford in regard to product longevity), businesses that promote the Mustang such as magazines (also effectively free advertising for the Mustang), and businesses that actually manufacture the reproduction or aftermarket parts.

I would like to suggest that a license be issued to any legitimate business that promotes the Ford Mustang in a positive manner for the sum of one dollar. This would allow for existing businesses to continue operating as they have with no impact to the consumer, and allow for Ford Motor Company to protect the ・Mustang・ trademark through an appropriate licensing process.

I would also like to add that as an informed consumer, I am also aware of the recent awards your legal department, particularly the intellectual property group. I would like to offer sincere congratulations on their success and I share your pride with their performance. However, I would also like to caution you that the actions they take to protect Ford intellectual property need to be taken with prudence so as not to alienate loyal customers.

Please consider this letter as an appeal from a loyal customer looking for Ford Motor Company to amend its current legal tactics with regard to actions taken against Mustang related businesses and thus retain me as a loyal customer. Without a public change in legal tactics, I cannot say with confidence that my next purchase will be a Ford product.

Please feel free to contact me at the above address, telephone___________, or email ____________________ if you have any questions or concerns regarding this letter.

Repecfully,


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Jimmy Ray
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From: Virginia Beach Va.
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posted 05-13-2006 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jimmy Ray   Click Here to Email Jimmy Ray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nicely done.....

Mine goes like this;
tHIS IS CRAP PLEASE STOP OR i'LL STOPE spending my stolen fOODSTAMP MONEYS.. TO BUY MANY fORDS....

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Fastback68
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posted 05-13-2006 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh Sam, just one part that doesn't ring true ...

quote:
I would also like to add that as an informed consumer, I am also aware of the recent awards your legal department, particularly the intellectual property group. I would like to offer sincere congratulations on their success and I share your pride with their performance.

Are you really proud of Ford's legal department? If not, I'd rephrase that.

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sigtauenus
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posted 05-13-2006 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm not known for having much tact. It was an attempt to remain positive about my view of Ford while telling the owner his @#$% stinks.

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-14-2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great letter but Simon brings up a key point.How could anyone "share your pride" but then.........?? After all, pride goeth before a fall. Leave Billybob to his own pride.

If would be pretty hard to share his pride in that he's got his 'up to the pits' waders on wallowing in the family name of Ford and that HE'S the real McCoy!

That is really a major prob with FMC. Apparently a "Ford" can't be ousted!

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inline6.1
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posted 05-15-2006 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inline6.1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah sounds like ford is having its period! But what i would like to know is if there going to go after any other company's. Lets see MustangsUnlimited, DallasMustang, John's mustang, Mustang Depot. Don't they understand that there pissing off loyal ford customers, why fight amongst ourselves when we should be fighting against chevy's and **** box dodge.

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