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jeffdavison
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From: Suwanee,Georgia,USA
Registered: Nov 2004

posted 06-26-2005 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffdavison        Reply w/Quote
For a street & twisty mountain roads.

Wilwood 4 piston Dynalite caliper w/ 11" dia. .810" thick rotor

or

Mustang Cobra 10th anniversery 2 piston w/ 13" dia. 1.1" thick rotor.

not concerned about the bling or cool factor here.

JD

68 Coop
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From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 06-27-2005 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
I would want all the brakes I could handle on twisty mountain roads. Just my 2 cents.

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indyphil
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From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002

posted 06-27-2005 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil        Reply w/Quote
I would think the 13 inch rotor with the thicker material would be better for mountain roads. the wilwood brakes are light which is great for drag racing but 4 Vs 2 pistons I dont think will make as much difference as the rotor size and thickness will.

13 inch rotors require 17 inch wheels, lots of folks dont like that because they dont want their classic to look too bling, but if you dont mind then I guess I would go with the bigger brakes.

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John Z
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From: Morgantown, WV
Registered: Jul 99

posted 06-27-2005 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Z        Reply w/Quote
If you're willing to go to 17" wheels, check out http://members4.boardhost.com/MustangSteveads/msg/6963.html

jeffdavison
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From: Suwanee,Georgia,USA
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posted 06-27-2005 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffdavison        Reply w/Quote
Steve's kit is one of the options I am considering. It's a great value, and I already have a set of 16's (text says ok, but am re-verifying with Steve and await his email)

I am thinking not only in terms of absolute stopping power but handling as well as there is a bit of an unsprung weight difference between an 11" x .81" rotor and a 13" x 1.1" rotor. If a car handles better, then there is less of a need to depend solely on the brakes. A good set up minimizes the need and all a larger rotor does is help eliminate heat, fade and lock-up. A quad Dynalite with an 11 will still give a very nice rate of deceleration, and the 4 pistons have a bit more clamping force..although I haven't compared total area of the piston bore diameters with each caliper.

In heavy track work the Wilwood combo just won't keep enough heat out of the system to prevent fade (maybe if it were MUCH lighter and set up for track), but my car will not see the track,.. I have a horse of another color for that

JD

[This message has been edited by jeffdavison (edited 06-27-2005).]

grego37
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From: los angeles,CA,USA
Registered: May 2004

posted 06-27-2005 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grego37        Reply w/Quote
check out the pro-vintage brake set up from Global West. You also have the option of purchasing them pre-assembled on big bearing spindles. (you may need to scrool down)

http://globalwest.net/mustang_1964%20-73%20catalog.htm#Pro-Vintage%20Disc%20Brake%20Kits

jeffdavison
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From: Suwanee,Georgia,USA
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posted 06-27-2005 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffdavison        Reply w/Quote
but now you're talking silly money. about a G more than Steves and waaay overkill for my purposes and intents. I wanted to keep the discussion between the two systems I initially mentioned.

JD

John Z
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From: Morgantown, WV
Registered: Jul 99

posted 06-28-2005 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Z        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jeffdavison:
Steve's kit is one of the options I am considering. It's a great value, and I already have a set of 16's (text says ok, but am re-verifying with Steve and await his email)

I am thinking not only in terms of absolute stopping power but handling as well as there is a bit of an unsprung weight difference between an 11" x .81" rotor and a 13" x 1.1" rotor. If a car handles better, then there is less of a need to depend solely on the brakes. A good set up minimizes the need and all a larger rotor does is help eliminate heat, fade and lock-up. A quad Dynalite with an 11 will still give a very nice rate of deceleration, and the 4 pistons have a bit more clamping force..although I haven't compared total area of the piston bore diameters with each caliper.
but my car will not see the track,.. I have a horse of another color for that



Steve is working on cutting down rotors to fit 16" wheels. There was a post on his discussion group last night in response to a question I posted.
If you're not going to the track then there are more options. You did not mention Scarebird http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category= 33564&item=7983461588&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Cheap GM calipers and rotors, doesn't bother me but I do not like the way he describes the product. It's almost like he is having customers debug the product.

[This message has been edited by John Z (edited 06-28-2005).]

jeffdavison
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From: Suwanee,Georgia,USA
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posted 06-28-2005 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffdavison        Reply w/Quote
John,
Actually Scarebird IS my other option, but not the ebay listing you posted. They offer a caliper bracket that uses the Dynalite caliper to be used with a front Previa 11" rotor. Cost of the bracket is $75 the pair and Previa rotors can be had for $90 ea. VERY cost effective.
Both the Scarebird kit and Steves kit use the hub from the drum braked 5 bolt '65 spindle.
What's also nice about both kits is that they don't change the fron track width from stock.
Both kits are excellent values.
JD

John Z
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From: Morgantown, WV
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posted 06-28-2005 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Z        Reply w/Quote
Apparently the amount of research you have done is more than I thought in reading your original post .
I saw the auction for the bracket using the Dynalite caliper.
Unless your looking for something fancy, the previa rotors can be had for ~$52 http://www.drivewire.com/toyotaparts/catalog/toyotapreviadiscbrakerotor.html
(This is just the first site that came up on a web search.)
He says the calipers and pads are $260, which matches what I've found.
Have you determined what is involved with "custom" brake lines?
Do the previa rotors have a 4.5" bolt circle or do they need to be drilled?
Going with the chevy parts would cost ~$200 compared to ~400 for the Dynalite. Does the performance match up to the cost difference?

jeffdavison
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From: Suwanee,Georgia,USA
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posted 06-29-2005 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffdavison        Reply w/Quote
Not rocket science fabbing up brake lines. npt fittings on caliper & 3AN fittings with stainless over teflon tubing. piece of cake.

Previa rotors have correct bolt circle but the bolt holes themselves are just a bit small diameter of the wheel studs cuz they're metric and need to be drilled to 9/16 to clear. Also the diameter of the drum hub needs to have its outer diameter turned down to fit in the inside diameter of the rotor...about 1/8" or so. Other than that its a nice bit of kit. Dynalites are a proven caliper. The only negative about them is since they are a race part, the pistons don't have dust shields. Not a worry if you maintain and clean the piston bores and seals them every fluid change. VERY light and I found them for $103 each with out pads.

I've since decided to spring for Steve's 13" Cobra kit. Just a little more moola but larger swept area and greater heat dispersion, plus the calipers are designed for everyday driving and aren't as high maintenance as the Wilwoods.

JD

John Z
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posted 06-29-2005 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Z        Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the information. I'm not planning on driving as aggressively as you are. I'm down to either the Scarebird GM disk/caliper option or waiting for Mustang Steve to develop a kit for 15" wheels.
I do not like the idea of "high maintenance" calipers and the idea or needing to redrill rotors doesn't appeal to me either.
I have more time for research since I will not be doing this upgrade until the winter.

indyphil
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From: Senoia, G.A. USA
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posted 06-29-2005 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil        Reply w/Quote
Let us know how the 13 inch rotors fit inside the 16 inch wheels
I have 16 inch wheels (vintage wheelworks) and would be interested to know how that set up fits.

Thanks

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jeffdavison
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From: Suwanee,Georgia,USA
Registered: Nov 2004

posted 06-29-2005 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffdavison        Reply w/Quote
Phil,

They will fit in 16" Torq Thrust II's , just.
Steve said that Bear had a template at their website that uses the same PBR caliper and Cobra 13" rotor. I went there, d'ld the template (have to scale up the print out about 106% so that an inch printed equals an inch in the real world. Glued it to a piece of carboard and cut it out. Put it in the wheel and checked out the clearances allowed. That's the main reason I went with Steve's kit as I have already commited to and purchased my wheels.

JD

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