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Topic: need carb help for 200
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 05:17 PM
 
i have a 68 with a 200 inline 6, automatic trans, and a carter carb. the i.d. tag has been removed so i took the carb to the zone to get a replacement. they dont stock a replacement and it would have to be paid for up front, special order. heres my delima, the carb i have i think has a vaccuum choke (which is gutted and destroyed), is there a replacement with an electric choke? the desk jockey said there are only two replacements he can get for this, one is a champion part #6-713 that replaces a ford model 1100, and theres a holley part # 64-5155 that replaces the ford model 1101. i thought the only carbs were going to be either carter or motorcraft. the guy made a call to another store and the other guy told him i needed the champion. now im confused. so did champion take over the carter carb and holley the motorcraft? all i really want is a carb that has at least the same cfm as my 187cfm carter (or more), and an electric choke if possible. i can figure out the fuel line, throttle, and vaccuum hookup, the kickdown might be trickier. i tried to get him to look up carbs for the 250 straight 6 but he said those wouldnt work. i have no idea what to do. if i have to get the champion carb and it dont have an electric choke then i have no choice but to go order it. since i have no memory of ever working on a carb with any choke other than manual or electric, i dont know how this hooks up. i really just DONT want to get the wrong carb or get one that is inferior to one i couldve had for about the same money. if there are any straight 6 carb guru's, please help! ------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-15-2005 05:34 PM
hmmm ok. when you go to a place like that where counter guys think they know everything you need to knwo everything. what i mean is you need to knwo what type of carb and what year it was really on when you order it. autolite is mtoorcraft. in todays standards. i dont htink that carb belongs on your motor to begin with. im not positive on the years but it goes soemthing like this the autolite 1100 was first then the 1101 then i belive the holley was next carter i think came in liek the mid 70s. i dont have the book in front of me so this could be wrong. maybe holley and the 1101 were switched. but for some reason i think you are supposed to have the holley . which has the larger opening for the intake. the 1100 was for the small opening on the 200s or pre 67 i want to say. um im not sure i belive from looking at a wbesite you should have the 1101 or 1100------------------
1966 mustang coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed tranny
holley weber two barrel conversion, msd 6a ignition, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air install complete (homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron and gt350 hood scoop
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kwalger
Gearhead Posts: 238
From: Richmond, Texas
Registered: May 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 08:01 PM
Do what I did..Go to Auto Zone and ask for part number 54-5155..Thats the 1101, and rates at 187 or higher CFM. It's easy to hook up, but does not have electric choke. Your alternate place to look is Stoveboltengineco.com they deal in inline six carbs, to include one and two barrel options. You may want to step up to the Holley Weber 5200 two barrel (make sure u get the adapter for your log head)..carb is $56 bucks there, as opposed to 120 bucks at AutoZone..good luck...
If this doesnt help, post over at FordSix.com (forums)
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kwalger
Gearhead Posts: 238
From: Richmond, Texas
Registered: May 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 08:03 PM
Sorry.. that part number at AutoZone for the Autolite 1101 is 64-5155....
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-15-2005 08:13 PM
actully the carb at stovebolt is 65 dollars. and if you go with the two barrel setup then i would go with the dlifford performance two barrel adapter. just bc it gives a place for the pcv nipple and has the correct orintation for the carb without the heat plate on. the stovebolt adatper is 15 dollars but the clifford is 60 bucks. it is your better bet. you can also adapt mech linkage to the adpater from clifford bc the carb will be facing the right way. i have the stovebolt adapter and im getting a hole drilled and a pcv nipple inserted into it. the H/W is 270 cfm by the way. and is a progressive two barrel. which means that the first throttle plate opens up and when it get to about 2/3s open the other throttle plate begins to open. this is a reasonable upgrade. but right now i am still looking for a throttle cable gas pedel.------------------
1966 mustang coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed tranny
holley weber two barrel conversion, msd 6a ignition, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air install complete (homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron and gt350 hood scoop
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kwalger
Gearhead Posts: 238
From: Richmond, Texas
Registered: May 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 08:35 PM
Sorry Brian, I got my number bassackwards tonight. I wish it was 56 bucks.. BTW, off the subject a little, did you try the ATF or diesel run through of your motor for the knocking noises, if so, did you notice a change?..thinking of trying one of them before an oil change.
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 09:05 PM
my motor is a 200. so the carter doesnt belong on my 68 motor? it says in the carb "mfg by carter for motorcraft". so neither of my options, either the 1100 or the 1101 has an electric choke? how do these chokes work? its definitely not a manual choke, but the motor has been so screwed with by idiots and the choke guts are missing. are you saying the model 1101 is better than the 1100? ive got the printout from autozone, says the 64-5155 is the holley (ford model 1101). says the 1100 is a champion 6-713. heck i didnt even know champion made carbs, much less carbs for ford. how much does the stovebolt flow?------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-15-2005 09:18 PM
ok no prob abotu the numbers anywho no i will be trying it monday when i dont have to drive on the highway to work. i will be trying the atf deal for about 20 miles to see if it works. um carter made the carb for motorcraft it isnt a motor craft carb. motorcraft is essentilly the same thign as autolite. champion doesnt make then either they rebuild them. if your going to buy a rebuild go to pony carbs expensive but worth it. they redesign the carb to remove problems. yes the 1101 is better. it is an automatic choke. there is a tube going from the top of the exhuast manifold to the choke horn. so as the heat from the manifold rises it opens the choke up. i heard they are better then electirc chokes anyway, bc electirc tends to close to early if you stop at a couple stores and off and on of the car. the autolite isnt a holley 1101. holley made carbs for ford also like carter did. now the Holley wbeer 2 barrel flows 270 cfm. but you get better gas milage from this carb then the carb you got thee now or are supposed to have. ------------------
1966 mustang coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed tranny
holley weber two barrel conversion, msd 6a ignition, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air install complete (homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron and gt350 hood scoop
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 10:17 PM
so the holley weber 2 barrel 5200 is the way to go? does this carb bolt on with an adapter without much trouble? i posted at fordsix but no reply yet. i looked at the h/w on the stovebolt site, it looks huge! ok, going to look at it again. thanks for the help guys. this inline 6 is a whole new ballgame to me. ------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 10:47 PM
trasline, when you say the clifford adapter places the carb where you can use your mechanical linkage do you mean use it as it is currently configured?? because i have no intention of hooking that mess up. now if you mean it will make the linkage face around 90 degrees from where it is now so i can hook it up like most normal carbs then thats a deal. but would rather get it running parallel with the fender so i can hook the rod from the pedal a lot simpler. not paralle with the firewall like it is from the factory. if not ill get the cheap adapter, use a throttle cable, and drill the pcv myself. i hope this isnt confusing, thanks for the help.------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-15-2005 10:57 PM
just looked at cliffords site. the adapter is 68 bucks now. noticed they want a LOT MORE money for their webber/holley carbs than stovebolt....wonder why.------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-15-2005 11:45 PM
thats bc it is a differnt carb. yes the clifford adapter allows the linkage to be parrallel with the fender so that you can hook that silly rod up. but this is all without the carb heat spacer. now if you used the stovebolt adapter with the spacer it would be parralel but then hood clearnace is a big issue and you wont find a air cleaner to fit. thats why i said clifford adapter. everything is there just bolt it right up.------------------
1966 mustang coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed tranny
holley weber two barrel conversion, msd 6a ignition, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air install complete (homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron and gt350 hood scoop
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-16-2005 08:20 PM
ok, i dont know what the heat spacer is. the carb i took off was bolted right to the intake. im thinking you mean some kind of heat shield, like a piece of sheet metal under the carb. going to call stovebolt tommorrow and get things going. i need to get the adapter from clifford and figure the linkage out when it all gets here. i think once i got the fuel delivery down im going to need to do a tuneup. will be going with the pertronix but probably just do it with new points first since it will be cheaper initially and money is an issue this time of year. not much concrete work happening in jan. and feb. had to do a heater core on a buick just to get the parts ive bought so far.------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-16-2005 09:05 PM
ford installed a spacer that coolant flowed through. on top of the manifold and under the carb. so that the carb wouldnt freeze over. so let me ask ou this do you have a pcv valve?------------------
1966 mustang coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed tranny
holley weber two barrel conversion, msd 6a ignition, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air install complete (homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron and gt350 hood scoop
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-16-2005 10:32 PM
yes, mive has a spacer, i just looked at it agagin. it doesnt look like any coolant flows to it but there is a larger rubber line hooked to a pcv valve that goes in toward the back of the valve cover. i hope you are about to tell me some good news.------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-17-2005 12:08 PM
lol well i thought you didnt have the spacer. and i was gonna ask you where the pcv valve was i thougth you had a breather in place. good news for the motor anyway lol. now the linkage... you have that silly rod from the fuel peddle to underneath the carb.this will probably be the easiest way. get a piece of aluminum stock and shpe it into an S up towards the throttle blade on the carb. figure a way to mount it on the rod and carb and your set the throttle blade goes in a circle well half circle which adds some problems. or you can purchase a lokar throttle cable and a cheap throttle cable bracket and find a gas pedel from a late stang and throw it in. alot easier but mroe money.------------------
1966 mustang coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed tranny
holley weber two barrel conversion, msd 6a ignition, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air install complete (homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron and gt350 hood scoop
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RonnieT
Gearhead Posts: 912
From: Port Allen, La. 70767
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 01-19-2005 07:45 PM
Well I'm kinda late on this topic, but Champion is the company that remanufactures the carb, not who originally manufactures it. Pony cars has some photos and information on thier site that may help you ID what carb you have. They also sell remanufactures carbs, but the cost is much higher than you get at a chain store, but the quality is also much higher.http://store.freeretailer.com/default.asp+pagetoload+product.asp+productid+1232+catcode+81000+show+2
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Ronnie
69 mach1 351W-4V engineless at the time!
70 Torino GT 351C-4v with a "shaker"
Mustangs and More Member #23
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trashline
Gearhead Posts: 2230
From: Levittown, Pa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 01-19-2005 07:53 PM
pony carbs also "tweeks" the carbs, they get out all the rough spots and lean the carb up to make it run better. and it should last you quite a while thats why they are 200 + dollars------------------
1966 coupe
200ci, 3.03 3 speed
holley weber two barrel, msd 6a, blaster 2 coil, Duraspark I, 2 inch exhaust to a super turbo, stock rear (3.20),ram air(homemade)
white w/ black interior, soon be painted (i hope) with the R model apron 1968 Ford Fairlane 289 auto rotting away 1979 f150 300 six with a three on the tree
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chip67
Gearhead Posts: 245
From: louisville, ky, jefferson
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 01-19-2005 09:01 PM
if i was doing a concours restoration (which is not ever likely if you ever saw what me and dad take to the gun range to shoot at) id get a pony carb. but why not let the credit card company keep that dough and get a carb that flows more cfm, and theoretically would get better mileage while making more power. i swear if this 200 gets rubber when im done, i'll dance a jig. i dont know why im so excited but im starting to understand how those people feel watching a turtle race. i'll be suprised if im not disapointed, and i like suprises! heck, i was crawling on the pavement at 10pm last night, it was 19 degrees outside, i had a wrench and a flashlight, just to see if that 6 banger had decent rear end gears. the tag says 3.50....perfect. i almost cried.------------------
coupe, 306, 4 speed, 4.11's. pump gas, n/a street car. best so far is 7.48 (1/8 mile) at 93mph with 1.64 60ft. 11.80 at 113 on greased 1/4 track.
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