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Topic: Roller Spring Perches
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3523
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 01-02-2005 12:27 PM
   
This dont look all that hard does it? http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1130203&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD Anybody make their own? ------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 842
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 01-02-2005 12:56 PM
I'm in the process right now. I'm in a machining class and it sounded like a fun project. I have the bores made, I did it a little different though. I put a counterbore in the tube for the bearings so that they couldn't slide in, then I put snap ring grooves in on the shaft so they couldn't come out, should work slick, still have to cut my old perches and weld them to the roller tubes. Really doesn't seem that hard to do if you have the equipment.------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 28191
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-02-2005 01:10 PM
I thought about doing bearings instead of bronze bushings, but thought better of it for drag racing. If your car does not wheel stand much they should be OK, but if you get some elevation I don't think the bearings will take the prolonged beating.------------------
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65ponycar
Gearhead Posts: 821
From: Dayton, OH
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 01-02-2005 02:36 PM
I've heard the 'rave reviews' and would like to try a set myself, have my old original perches (perfect candidates). Maybe a good winter project? I'm planing on purchasing a welder/learning to weld then maybe I'll have the confidence...
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 7553
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-03-2005 12:00 AM
Bought a set off V-M in a group buy several months ago, for my 66. Look good and installed perfectly. They have a grease zerk for lube.
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3523
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-23-2005 09:33 AM
I found this! http://home.bresnan.net/%7Edazed/opentracker Anybody try it yet? ------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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66 fastback
Gearhead Posts: 170
From: Califon, NJ 07830
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 09-23-2005 10:21 AM
I have a set of these perches from Cobra Automotive. The ones they sell have the bronze bushing, which I feel will hold up better long term. I replaced every part of my front suspension and steering so I can't say how much of a difference just the perch replacement made.Have you ever tried to twist the shaft on an OE style perch? Very stiff if not impossible to do. Remember that should be twisting with every movement of the control arms. It's resistance to move causes the spring to be distorted, this no doubt changes the spring rate and performance. I am very, very pleased with the handling of my clone.
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buening
Gearhead Posts: 247
From: Decatur, IL
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 09-23-2005 12:50 PM
Bronze bushings will require constant (weekly) greasing from what was posted on the VMF. Bronze bushings are great for for the strip which doesn't see daily use, but for a daily driver i would go with the roller bushings for less maintenance. This is on my to-do list, as well as the spherical bushings on the lower control arms by Opentracker, the Opentracker modified upper control arm (does the 1 3/4" drop without the use of the camber correction plate), and a pair of strut rods from Street or Track. The upper and lower control arm mods are overkill for daily driver cars, but i have all winter  ------------------
1970 Grabber Blue Mach 1 H-code
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BornInAFord
Gearhead Posts: 575
From: Bend, OR, USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 09-24-2005 12:01 AM
I plan to install a set of Opentracker roller perches tomorrow and will report back on the driving improvements in a day or so. This is one step in a plan to upgrade my suspension one piece at a time. I've already upgraded to an export brace (which helps tighten the front end immensely). Next are the spring perches, then a thicker swaybar, then aftermarket rims and tires. Currently I have a mostly stock suspension and skinny tires (195/70R14)  , so each change should be able to be felt.
Daniel
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3523
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-24-2005 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by BornInAFord:
I plan to install a set of Opentracker roller perches tomorrow and will report back on the driving improvements in a day or so.
Daniel, Did you buy them or build them yourself? Also if you don't mind, how much did it cost? If it?s cheap enough I will buy them instead of trying to build them because I'm a little short on time right now. ------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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BornInAFord
Gearhead Posts: 575
From: Bend, OR, USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 09-25-2005 03:59 PM
Ed (and others),
The roller perches cost just over $180 shipped back in April. This included the new perches, Paypal expenses, and shipping. I expect your perches would run about the same. See my review for more info. 
Daniel
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Opentracker
Journeyman Posts: 7
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Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 11-10-2005 07:24 PM
I'll be glad to help anyone who wants to make some or get some. Send me an email at [email protected]
John
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Rudi
Journeyman Posts: 74
From: Welland ,On., Ca.
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 11-11-2005 09:55 AM
If you want to go the bronze bushing method, use "Oilite" bushing material. It is a porous bronze that is impregnated with oil and does not need greasing.
The only problem using ball or roller bearings is that the bearings will "Brinnel" because the only rotate in a small arc.
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Opentracker
Journeyman Posts: 7
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Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 11-11-2005 11:24 AM
The perch rotates a full 25deg with full suspension drop and around 8-10deg under normal driving. The oldest set has been on the car for almost 2 years and 25K with no problems and still going. We are going to run that set till they wear, not sure how long that will take. Some racers are in their second season with roller perches with no wear issues. I made the first set of rollers in 2003 and started selling them soon after. Since then, a lot of people have said that it was one of the best mods they did to thier car.
John
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BornInAFord
Gearhead Posts: 575
From: Bend, OR, USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 11-12-2005 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Opentracker:
I made the first set of rollers in 2003 and started selling them soon after. Since then, a lot of people have said that it was one of the best mods they did to thier car.
John
Amen! I think that even 8-10? means that the roller bearing rotates more than that, so won't "Brinnel" much. I was amazed at how much difference it made. If the bearings do start to wear to the point that the perches no longer rotate, I'll be back where I started with the stock (and even polyurethane) perches--basically no rotation whatsoever. It isn't too difficult to periodically lift the suspension to remove and rotate the perch, either, if needed.
Daniel
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68mustang351w
Gearhead Posts: 486
From: San Diego, Ca
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 11-12-2005 09:39 PM
opentracker, sent you an email a couple days ago. Just checking to see if you got it, or maybe it got zapped by your spam filter. Anyways, thanks... David F.
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Opentracker
Journeyman Posts: 7
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Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 11-12-2005 10:00 PM
You may have got spamed - sorry!Give it another try [email protected] Thanks John
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68mustang351w
Gearhead Posts: 486
From: San Diego, Ca
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 11-12-2005 11:19 PM
ok, message sent... David F.
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Big D
Gearhead Posts: 6384
From: WELLS, NEVADA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-13-2005 03:43 AM
You know,, I just put POLY Bushings in my perches.. It was an easy conversion and and they seem to work really well.. You're right about the original rubber ones being a little stiff.. At least I realized it when I was beating the rubber out with a sledge hammer.. ------------------
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