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Topic: Applying Fuel Injection to my 67 289? help please
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 03:03 AM
 
Does anyone know if there is a kit I can buy that converts my carberated car to fuel injection? I'm not sure.. the reason is i want to put a remote engine start alarm on the car but i need it to be fuel injected? i have a 4bbl intake manifold which is stock so that should be ok. Just let me know if theres a kit or somethng out there. Or what should i do? i would greatly appreciate help from anyone! thanks!
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1391
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 05:31 AM
Jeff,
There are a couple options for fuel injection, and I would consider either one as an 'advanced' project, for someone who knows their way around an engine.Easiest and least expensive for you would be the Holley ProJection system. You can check with Summitt Racing or Jegs for pricing. I did a quick search and found the ProJection II kit for $2299. The other way is to convert it using all Ford parts from a 5.0 litre. You'll need the intake, injectors, throttle body, distributor, computer and wiring. Some of these you can buy used, some you should get new, so that will affect pricing. Windsor-Fox engineering ( www.windsorfox.com ) can help with all of it, including installation instructions. A third way would be to add a system that looks like a Weber carb system, with 8 throats of throttle body. It looks way cool and from what I hear is a great performer. I don't have a link for this one as it is fairly uncommon and quite expensive, I would guess in the $4000 range. With either kit you should get much better driveability, power and economy. It seems to me like a complicated way to just get a remote start on your car, but at least you have a couple options on how to do it. Scott ------------------
MCA Certified Judge, for 1965-1966
66 GT coupe A code, Silver Frost
66 convert being restored
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 07:52 AM
That's www.windsorfox.com
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 02:01 PM
hey i went to the windsor fox website and the parts catalogs dont work for some reason.. can anyone give me a detailed list of EVERY single part i need to convert this engine..i think i want to buy everything piece by piece to possibly save money. thanks------------------
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 02:35 PM
Ok i found Holley Projection kits, and i found Pro Flo EFI systems by Edelbrock. Which would you guys recommend. thanks------------------
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Fordman75
Gearhead Posts: 247
From:
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 08-13-2004 03:23 PM
The Edelbrock sytem will out perform the Holley projection. I personally think if you are swapping to Fuel injection then a multiport system is the only way to go.On my windsor I'm piecing together my own system and will be using the SDS fuel injection. This system can be tuned without a laptop and is a fairly simple set up. http://www.sdsefi.com
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1391
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 05:03 PM
Jeff,
I suggest you contact Windsor-Fox for the 'every part you will need piece-by-piece list'.
The Ford factory 5.0 multiport system will give you the best system for your budget-basement project. You should be able to scrounge most of the parts you will need via used parts at a junkyard or via Ebay.
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 163
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 07:27 PM
the absolute cheapest way is a junkyard stock ford efi from a mustang, they are evrywhere. The easiest way is the holley projection and you can get that for about 1200.00 bucks, I have used it and it works great(I have a older projetion 2 for sale for 300 bucks) for the price difference the edelbrock will not perform much better than the projection if at all, you are talking at most 10HP and the projection on a dual plane mani will give better low end.
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-13-2004 09:11 PM
Hey Rdinmv,
The kit you ave for sale, is it complete? everything i need to convert my stock 289? also mine is a 4bbl. would that kit work ok? can you take pictures of all the stuff and send it to my email? [email protected]. is it new?
Let me know
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 01:16 AM
I'm pretty new at this stuff by the way. im 17 goin on 18, and i want to learn all this stuff. Let me know if i got this right. The holley projection 4d kit is basically a carberator with fuel injectors built in on the top of it right? So i dont need fuel rails and all that stuff like i would if i decided to go with a EFI pro flo edelbrock system. So is the holley projection kit really fuel injection? or just a modified carb? My intial reason for this conversion is because i want to hook a remote engine start to the car. i cant do that with a carberated vechile. Will the remote start work with a holley projection 4d kit? another question. my car has a 4bbl carb on it now. so that means i need a holley 4d kit am i right? If someone can answer all these questions for me that would be awesome. thanks------------------
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 163
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 01:36 AM
Yes its EFI, its throttle body EFI so it will bolt to your carbed manifold. You can tune it by twisting knobs from the drivers seat and it also has a "closed loop" kit so you can let it tune itself via O2 sensor. You will gain about 20-25hp and 20-30 ftlbs and about 2-4mpgs over a carb. This is the older analog system but it works great, it flows 670cfm (with tbi its not too much for your 289) and will handle up to 320hp. I used it on my 351w.ported heads,performer intake and comp cams 268h cam and it totally blew away every carb I had ever run.Give me your EMA and I'll send some pics
mypics http://htwheelz.smugmug.com
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 03:05 AM
my email is [email protected] ..is your EFI system computerized? remote start work this stuff?
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 03:10 AM
i like that kit thas on ur car in the pics. is that a holley projection kit?
car is awesome------------------
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hotboy1966
Gearhead Posts: 160
From: Everett, Wa. USA
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 08-14-2004 04:48 AM
You should read through this website:
http://fordfuelinjection.com/index.htmIt is very informative about how to adapt Ford EEC-IV Fuel Injection to any classic Ford. There is also a fair amount of information on how EFI works and what matters and what doesn't. You should also visit www.MustangSteve.com for more info on adding Fuel Injection. There is a ton of resources available online.
It will pay great dividends to do your homework before you spend too much money. I have to agree with Whiteknight; this is a big project just to be able to use a remote starter on your car. Please don't take that the wrong way. I only mean that there are many other benefits...remote start is one of the relatively minor ones. ------------------
Dave
68 Coupe, 289, restomod in process
68 GT Fastback, resto in process
97 Cobra .vert, daily driver
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 12:42 PM
hey, oh i know thats why i said my initial reason for the conversion was to get remote start but now that ive learned a little bit so far..i notice that theres tons of advantages with this system, more hp, better mpg, low end, etc etc. makes the car run more efficiently and thats another thing i want alot. ------------------
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 163
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 02:25 PM
yes Jeff that is a projection but the laptop programmable type and thats a 4bbl unit. The one I'm selling has an analog computer and knobs for choke,idle,acc pump,cruise,power and you can turn them from the drivers seat while driving even. Its a 2 bbl unit that fits on a 4 bbl intake. Its very simple and a good unit for entry level, they still sell the projection 2 but its digital now. I'll get you pics soon.
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Jordankickz
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 09:43 PM
will a HOLLEY COMMANDER 950 TPI FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM work for my 289 44bl stock engine?
Let me know
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 163
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 08-14-2004 10:06 PM
yes it will, but you will have to tune it with a laptop.
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