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Topic: RH rear view mirror, nice but useless !
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 541
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-21-2004 12:48 PM
   
I just bought a right hand rear view mirror for my 67 & installed it exactly symetrically to the left one. I can't see anything out of it as it points wayyy too far out to the right !! Was that mirror originally positionned differently or are they useless even as an original option ?
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bud4660
Gearhead Posts: 509
From: Mesquite, Tx. M&M #2925
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-21-2004 01:03 PM
I was thinking that the vent window bar is right in the middle of the mirror when you look over at it. Its been 30 years since I had that 67 with one. But that seems like that was the problem. And it came on it new.
Plus I am short and have to have the seat up, which makes that problem worse. Is that what your looks like?
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2354
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 06-21-2004 02:05 PM
My 68 has a RH mirror, it matches the look of the remote style LH mirror. the problem is that unlike modern mirrors it has no curvature to give me a wider field of view, so its like trying to look through a keyhole.Its basically not very useful. Phil ------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 06-21-2004 07:23 PM
It takes a while to get used to, that's for sure. Pierre, from what you describe it sounds like it won't adjust to your viewing area, it that right? They were all functional, that's for sure. ------------------
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gjz30075
Journeyman Posts: 45
From: Roswell, Ga.
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 06-21-2004 08:29 PM
Sounds like you may have to go to the auto parts store or cheap department store and get a stick-on convex mirror.
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 541
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-22-2004 05:00 AM
Based on your replies it sounds like my mirror angle is off ! No matter how I look at it or adjust it, it just doesn't reflect the interesting part of the road ! (& the vent bar isn't in the way)Now there are two possible explainations: The part is not correct, but being a Scott Drake I would doubt that. + it allows the same degree of adjustment as my left one Or the position isn't right, so if someone could tell me if your right hand mirror is positionned in the exact same location on the right door as the left one is on the left door, that would really help me. Thanks
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 679
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 06-22-2004 03:21 PM
Pierre,
NPD has look alike mirrors that are convex, so you can see a lot more, like the new style mirrors, I put one on my 65 and I love it.Ernie ------------------
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MidLifCrisis
Gearhead Posts: 464
From: Frederick County, MD
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 06-22-2004 09:50 PM
Pierre, if you are using the remote look-a-like mirror, there is a phillips head screw that holds the head of the mirror to the base. Loosen this and you can gain some adjustment by moving the entire head assemby and retighten. I miss the not having a right hand mirror.EK- thanks on the tip about NPD and the convex look-a-likes. I was wondering iff anyone had the insight to offer them.
Charlie
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 541
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-23-2004 06:11 AM
Ernie,That may partially solve my problem I'll give it a try Charlie, I did adjust it using that screw but even when the outer edge is all the way toward the rear of the car it is still off ! I am puzzled ! Thanks anyway, it balances out the look of the car and was worth the 90$ !
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 3053
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-23-2004 08:25 AM
I think I'm missing the story here, but here are my 2 cents.
I had no idea a passenger side mirror was ever an option in 67-68. but nonetheless I've fitted one - the basic one that doesn't function with a remote. And it works just fine.
I previously tried it with a remote control mirror, and couldn't get that to work simply because when I set up the correct angle on the glass, the inner edge was hidden deep within the recess of the mirror.
There is no adjusting screw on my passenger's side mirror now. You sinply crank it with force to change position.
Are you by any chance trying to achieve success with a remote mirror?
Simon
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-23-2004 08:29 AM
Here's a pic of the mirror you should be using - the manual one. Is this what you've got?
http://www.info.com.ph/~mudshark/MPP/images/68wingmirror.jpg
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 541
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-23-2004 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
Here's a pic of the mirror you should be using - the manual one. Is this what you've got?
http://www.info.com.ph/~mudshark/MPP/images/68wingmirror.jpg
Simon, I am using the "dummy remote" it has a thicker mirror area and an extra piece where the mirror casing connects to the bracket (chose that one because that's the one I have on the left)......that may be why !?
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2354
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 06-23-2004 11:46 AM
Pierre
You are correct, you should be using the dummy remote if you have a remote drivers mirror. I have the same as you, and I also find it difficult to adjust the RH mirror and get it to stay where I want it. The flat mirror makes it worse because you must be precise with your adjustment or you wont see anything. i didnt know a convex mirror was available so maybe I will replace mine. the chrome was starting to pit and Im not interested in concours correct.------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2354
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 06-23-2004 11:48 AM
By the way you can see how mine is positioned on my web page at the very bottom of the main page (link below)Phil ------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 541
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-23-2004 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by indyphil:
By the way you can see how mine is positioned on my web page at the very bottom of the main page (link below)Phil
Phil, Your mirror seems to be more rotated toward the driver than mine, and that's why mine isn't working. But I somehow couldn't get it that far without risking to break it....I'll have to try again carefully. (Once that is set I'll have to teatch wife and kids not to slam the door too hard  ) Hey, very nice job by the way, sweet looking ride 
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 3053
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-23-2004 08:01 PM
I'm 99% inclined to disagree on using a "dummy remote", which I confess I've never heard of before. Phil, are you saying that these came originally on Stangs as an option?
I was firmly under the impression that genuine remotes were only ever used on Stangs on the driver's side, and if an old Ford had a mirror included from factory on the passenger's side, it was always the manual version, not a "dummy remote". Am I wrong? Did Ford ever make a dummy remote?[This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 06-23-2004).] [This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 06-23-2004).]
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1273
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 06-23-2004 09:48 PM
A dummy remote is quite common here in the mainland...It looks identical to the driver's side remote mirror, but does not have the guts or the cable to rotate the glass. You have to set the angle of the mirror manually, and they have two adjustment points also where you can set the head unit more to where you want it.
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MidLifCrisis
Gearhead Posts: 464
From: Frederick County, MD
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 06-23-2004 10:06 PM
Fastback68: you have the mirror that is really good. I had one on my first car, a '69 Galaxie, and I didn't miss anything behind me.Pierre: The right should match your left, and even if you chose to replace them with the one Fastback68 has, I don't think the mounting holes are the same. Info for everyone: From a defensive driving course, while seated in the middle or leaning with your head in the middle of the car, adjust your passenger mirror so that the view just skims down the side of the car. Then seated in the drivers seat, lean your head against the window and adjust that mirror the same way. When you are seated in the correct position, you will have a proper view of your blind spots. It may take a while to get used to, but it makes for quick and safe lane changes. Hope this is of benefit. Charlie
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1273
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 06-23-2004 10:28 PM
Charlie,
For the 67/68 mirror I think the remote style (fat housing)and the manual style (skinny housing) both use the same mounting holes.For 65/66 the difference between remote and standard means the holes won't work.  Scott
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 3053
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-23-2004 10:43 PM
I can confirm that for 67/8 - same mounting holes.
Sorry to flog this to death, but can someone confirm 100% what some folks seem to be saying here?
MY PREVIOUS UNDERSTANDING: In 67/8, there were only driver's side mirrors, with no option for a passenger's side. However, since there would obviously be no point fixing a remote mirror to the passenger's side if you wanted one, instead you would fix the manual one. And because there was no option for a passenger's side mirror, Ford would never have made a remote dummy for a 67/8 Stang anyhow. So fitting a manual would be the "correct" modification.
WHAT SOME FOLKS SEEM TO BE SAYING: (1) There was an option for a passenger's side mirror, and (2) If you had a remote, your passenger's mirror would be a dummy remote, made by Ford specifically for the 67/8 Stang.
Thanks all! I have a desperate need to know!
Simon[This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 06-24-2004).]
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 2354
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 06-24-2004 07:30 AM
Simon,
all I know is that my dummy RH mirror, must be pretty old, the pitting in the chrome matches the drivers mirror, and its not a modern convex design. Im fixin' to take it apart again since it wont stay adjusted so If i do - and I find a FoMoCo part number I will let you know.------------------
'68 coupe, '66 289 C code
engine, edel 600cfm carb, performer intake, dual exhaust http://www.geocities.com/ottouk_77/68mustang.htm
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 3053
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-24-2004 08:06 AM
Cool, thanks! The Ford number, if it has one, will be on the underside of the base.
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 3053
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-24-2004 08:45 PM
Well, I see from Sam's site that a "right hand remote" was a dealer-installed option in 1968.
http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/opt.html
Sam, you there? Was that really a remote, or a dummy remote?
And can I take it there was no dealer option for a passenger side skinny manual mirror? It seems an obvious option to have since the mirror simply flips over to work on both sides of the car.[This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 06-24-2004).]
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nickmobile67
Gearhead Posts: 176
From: NJ
Registered: May 2003
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posted 06-25-2004 10:13 PM
There should be TWO adjustments. First is the visible screw on the front of the mirror, but if that dosn't work there is another. Take the mirror off, and up in the base there is another screw that will let you twist the middle cone more tward the driver, and retighten. Then try the first adjustment again. Even set correctly it's pretty useless.------------------
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 541
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-26-2004 10:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by nickmobile67:
There should be TWO adjustments. First is the visible screw on the front of the mirror, but if that dosn't work there is another. Take the mirror off, and up in the base there is another screw that will let you twist the middle cone more tward the driver, and retighten. Then try the first adjustment again. Even set correctly it's pretty useless.
Hey that's right ! Forgot to look up that skirt 
Thanks !
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