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Topic: Engine build help needed
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Mike65
Gearhead Posts: 2049
From: Bloomfield, NY, USA. Western Finger Lakes, 65 Fastback, 69 Coupe MCA #-04549
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-30-2004 08:19 PM
   
I am getting ready to build the engines for our 2 Mustangs, & here is what I am planning on doing. 302 stock block, replacing the cylinder heads with powerheads sf600 heads, cam from comp cams which is an equivlent to a 289 HP spec cam, edelbrock performer intake, matched edelbrock carb, & jba shorty headders. The 65 Fastback will be running a 87 Mustang GT 5 speed, & the 69 Coupe will be running an 87 C.V. AOD & both cars will have 3.50 rear gears. So what do you think of my combos for the 2 cars performance wise?. Will it work?. Do you all think it is a good combo?. Let me know what you all think as I value ALL your opinions. Thanks.------------------
Mike & Robin Grentus, Owners/Innkeepers
A Wolfpack Bed & Breakfast
6700 Rts-5&20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
(585)657-4863
65 Mustang Fastback
69 Mustang Coupe
99 Explorer Sport
00 Ranger XLT Extd Cab 4X4
M&M #- 890
MCA #- 4549
See us at www.wolfpack-bnb.com
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 18591
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-30-2004 08:23 PM
Mike I'd look into the Edelbrock heads too. And long tube headers for both cars. Are they both just cruisers ?
On the 65 with the 5spd go with more gear, like a 3.70-3.80 range.------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1273
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 04-30-2004 08:26 PM
Keep the carb small, 500 cfm.
Long tube headers instead of shorties.
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MCA Certified Judge, 1965-1966
66 GT coupe A code, Silver Frost
65 coupe modified - the White Knight
66 convert being restored
95 GT convertible/Cobra clone - black with white leather
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Mike65
Gearhead Posts: 2049
From: Bloomfield, NY, USA. Western Finger Lakes, 65 Fastback, 69 Coupe MCA #-04549
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-30-2004 08:28 PM
Ron,
They will both be just cruziers. Why long tube headers over the shorties?. I am trying to stay away from messing with the p/s slave cylinder with that drop bracket as both cars will have p/s.------------------
Mike & Robin Grentus, Owners/Innkeepers
A Wolfpack Bed & Breakfast
6700 Rts-5&20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
(585)657-4863
65 Mustang Fastback
69 Mustang Coupe
99 Explorer Sport
00 Ranger XLT Extd Cab 4X4
M&M #- 890
MCA #- 4549
See us at www.wolfpack-bnb.com
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 18591
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-30-2004 08:30 PM
Mike the long tubes will give you more low end power.
I had shorties for a few years. They were better then the stock manifolds. And were easy to install and work around.
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SCOOPoddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 04-30-2004).]
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whiteknight289
Gearhead Posts: 1273
From: Wheaton, IL, USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 04-30-2004 11:32 PM
Your power steering already has a factory original drop bracket, with the headers you just replace it with one that is a little bit longer. Its only 3 bolts and usually costs under $20. I'm pretty sure those JBA shorties are more $$ than long tubes with a bracket.
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 139
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 05-01-2004 01:21 AM
Power heads are good but for a little bit more twisted wedge are the best bang for the buck, even though they are 202 int valved they will boost power and torque even off idle. As far as cams the 289HP cam was good in its day but there are much better modern grinds that will idle better and give more all around power. I'm partial to comp and for a daily cruzer the comp 260h is great or the 268h if you want a little lope. The xttreme grinds are also very good. With a comp 268h or 268XE, rpm or stealth, 600 carb and some goood headers (I am partial to the try-y's as they fit well and perform great and no PS drop required) you can make an honest 375+hp with good street manners and economy. Roller blocks are cheap and all over the place, the stock hyd roller isnt a bad cam at all bolt on some T/W or afr165 heads and the above bolt ons and you can make about the same power.
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Mike65
Gearhead Posts: 2049
From: Bloomfield, NY, USA. Western Finger Lakes, 65 Fastback, 69 Coupe MCA #-04549
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-01-2004 04:09 PM
What do you all think about the edelbrock performer packages? Cylinder heads, cam, intake, & carb all matched up?.------------------
Mike & Robin Grentus, Owners/Innkeepers
A Wolfpack Bed & Breakfast
6700 Rts-5&20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
(585)657-4863
65 Mustang Fastback
69 Mustang Coupe
99 Explorer Sport
00 Ranger XLT Extd Cab 4X4
M&M #- 890
MCA #- 4549
See us at www.wolfpack-bnb.com
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 18591
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-01-2004 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Mike65:
What do you all think about the edelbrock performer packages? Cylinder heads, cam, intake, & carb all matched up?.
It would be a great choice. 
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SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics
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rdinmv
Gearhead Posts: 139
From: orange county CA
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 05-02-2004 12:36 AM
the rpm is great but in a 302 its a pretty lumpy idle, the performer is pretty good but a bit mild and you would probably want more. I'd say something in between the performer and performer rpm would be about right for a cruiser. If I was building a cruiser with off the shelf parts, 302 9-9.5 compression, total seal rings, something around the 212-218 @0.50 int duration cam, goood heads with at least roller tipped rockers,wieand stelth intake,road demon 575-625 carb or holley projection 670 tbi, try y headers, a good ignition. EFI makes a big difference, frankly i hate carbs now after trying efi, even the hoolley tbi is so much more responsive and the mileage is much better. Stock ford efi's are all over for cheap and the older projections are around too for dirt cheap, I still have one sitting around. weigh the options and $$$ spent, you could get a stock 5.0 efi & trans bolt on a paxton or vortec and have power and economy. I'm all for modern drivetrains in early cars, I'm running a roller cammed tbi injected 351 w AOD in my 67. It hauls ass, idles good and even with the 10" converter on the fwy at 70 I get 21 mpg.
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