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swiss
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From: Duluth, Ga
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posted 03-06-2004 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swiss   Click Here to Email swiss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am working on replacing my old had it 289 with a new 302GT40. For airflow I was going to purchase the 289 HiPo Exhaust manifolds. Looking at the Mustangs Unlimited catalog it states "Clutch linkage modification necessary if used on 65-73 non HiPo cars."

A couple of questions:
1.) Does anyone know what the "Modifications" intail?
2.) Am I wasting my money on replacing the exhaust manifold? I do not want to go with headers so the wife will still ride in the car.

The old engine is out and the engine bay is being detailed. I think I am going to order the new 302 in a couple of weeks, it is very exciting.

Steve

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Mooney
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posted 03-06-2004 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooney   Click Here to Email Mooney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you sure it said that for the HIPO manifolds?
Ford sold 'em as well as an option didn't they? Or a dealer add on, and those were for non K-code cars.
BTW Welcome to M&M.
Luke

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68 dailydriver
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posted 03-07-2004 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 dailydriver   Click Here to Email 68 dailydriver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I rebuilt my 302, 68 coupe, and replaced the standard manifold with a aftermarket 289 Hi-Po manifold for the same reason I did not want to use headers. I had a custom 2.5 inch exhaust installed. no problems, but I used my standard heads after a porting and larger valve install, I am not sure about any problems with using the GT40 heads.

68 dailydriver

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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
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posted 03-07-2004 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just be aware that those new Ford crate engines have the later model 50 oz balance instead of your earlier 28 oz.... so you'll have to come up with a special flywheel. I guess these engines come with a harmonic balancer, but it will have a 4-bolt pulley instead of your 3-bolt unit. It might be the wrong depth as well. They also don't have the threaded boss at the rear of the block for the old style clutch linkage. However, brackets are available that bolt in place for that.

Just do some research to find out what all you need to drop one of these 'newer' engines in your car before ordering.

Good Luck!

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FoMoGo
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posted 03-07-2004 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FoMoGo   Click Here to Email FoMoGo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When using the the Hipo exhuast manifolds you will did to use the Hipo clutch equailzer bar to clear the 'H' pipe.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 03-07-2004 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I would go with real headers, if you are after performance. Although the Hi Po exh. manifolds are better than the standard ones, headers are still considerably better. Why wouldn`t your wife like the headers? I`ve had the same Heddman headers AND gaskets on my 302 Fairmont for almost ten years now, never had any leaks.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

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BornInAFord
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From: Bend, OR, USA
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posted 03-07-2004 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess to answer your original question, if you get a new crate engine, the new engine does not have the threaded boss for the clutch eualizer arm pivot because the new engine (any SBF engine after 1973) was made to work with a cable clutch, instead of the older bellcrank system. What you need is a pivot adapter, sold at most Mustang parts houses like NPD, which will allow you to use your old mount. That's the only "clutch linkage modification necessary" if you were only replacing the block.

Bear in mind you also will have to buy a new HiPo clutch equalizer bar as the left HiPo manifold will interfere with the stock equalizer bar.

There are lots of companies which sell 50oz harmonic balancers with both 3 and 4 bolt pulley threads so you can use the v-belt system or the newer serpentine belt system.
Here is the cheapest I've found: http://www.speedwaymotors.com with part number 91015365-50.

Most of the later model roller SBFs will bolt right up in place of the earlier 289/302s and you will find that with the older style oil pan and front cover, nearly all the early year equipment (heads, intake, exhaust, etc) will bolt right up. Just remember to plug the dipstick hole in the side of the later block if you use the early model waterpump/timing chain cover.

Daniel

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swiss
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posted 03-07-2004 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swiss   Click Here to Email swiss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I got a couple of different opinions/ideas.

Thanks to all of you who have posted over the years I am getting a good education on things I never thought I would think of. As someone explained to me, once you dig into these old cars who knows what!

Some history, I bought a 65 convertible 4 years ago and for the price got a car that had alot of nice new chrome, paint and body panels. The car has been running and I have been enjoying it. Then I get a good idea it is time to start rebuilding the front end and motor.

After taking out the motor, we come to find out the block was dropped, cracked most of the flanges on the rear of the block and alot of welding. Worse the pistons are 60 over already. So that is how I got to the new motor decision. I thought the transmission was a toploader, come to find out it is a warner 4 speed, T10. I am not getting alot of warm fuzzies on this transmission. I have a good (supposedly) transmission guy who has looked it over and says that other than 2nd gear the transmission is good. So do I fix the T10, or go with a new T5 or get a rebuild C4?

Another thing I am kicking myself on is I bought a new Edlebrock carborator 2 years ago. I bought the 1406 with bad advice from an over the counter know nothing mechanic so now I have a spreadbore carborator that I have to run the adapter plate on.

With the new M-6007-B51 which is the new 302 with E303 cam and Y303 Heads GT40. The following items I have confirmed will bolt up:

Timing Cover
Exhaust
WP
Distributor with new gear (I am going to replace with an Excide but do not know which one?
Alternator

I am going to have to purchase the following items new:

I found these at Total Performance in Detroit
50oz harmonic balancer
Clutch Arm Pivot Adapter
Intake-From reading this site I would like to find a CX90 but will probably go with a Edelbrock RPM. I am going to talk with Edlebrock given my carborator screw up.

In regards to headers I was told the following:
They are noisy, they come loose and they leak. I am sure many of you have had luck with them. Armed with that information I decided to lean towards the HIPO exhaust. I was thinking of staying with my single system at this point given that this motor is going to set me back more than budgeted. I am not going to race so something that sounds good but is not loud unless you get on it.

I have had a couple of people tell me I am going to have to change out the flywheel. I am confused, If the motor ships with a 157 tooth flywheel and I balance with a new 50oz harmonic balancer what is the problem. The only thing I can think of is that the size is different. I am going to compare when I get the motor.


I purchased all new front end components and thanks to this site and going to do a Shelby Drop while this is all apart


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swiss
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posted 03-07-2004 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swiss   Click Here to Email swiss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daniel thanks for all the detail in your posts.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 03-08-2004 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ll bet that whoever told you that headers leak or come loose, either has a SB Chev or Mopar, or a Pontiac. The SB, Cleveland, FE & 385 series Fords all have at least 2 bolts per exh. port, unlike the Brand X engines I mentioned. As for the bolts coming loose, it sounds like you "expert" is too lazy to check the bolts a few times after new headers or gaskets are install. Once the gasket has gone thru a few heat cycles & re-torques, I`ve never had a header bolt back off. To me, putting an engine like that in a car with exh. manifolds is such a waste, to consider retaining a single exh. system defineatly a bad idea. I don`t think I`ve ever heard a decent sounding V8 with single exhaust, either.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

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