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Topic: distibutor help
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 06:04 PM
   
I'm putting a new o-ring on my distributor and when I went to re-install it the rod fell off and stayed inside. I was lucky to be able to use a telescoping magnet to retrieve it, but before I try to go back in, are there any ideas on how to keep it from coming off again? Oh yeah, it's a 289.
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 5818
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 02-14-2004 06:40 PM
MIKE,I have never had that happen to me, but maybe you can use a dab of clean heavy axle grease to hold it in place so it won,t slip out. That dab of axle grease won,t hurt anything and should work. I have heard of a guy that just jammed a little piece of a tooth-pick into it and it held it just fine, I would assume that the little piece of tooth-pick could not hurt anything because it is so small, but who knows. I am sure that somebody has the correct and quick fix for this, just wait a few minutes somebody will speak up. ------------------
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 18590
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-14-2004 07:02 PM
What rod are you talking about Mike ?------------------
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 07:09 PM
it's a long hex shape rod with a point at the bottom. flat end connects to the distributor and the pointed end goes down into the blocke for the oil pump? I honestly didn't thing I was going to get it out from the top, but got extremely lucky and don't want to risk dropping it in again.
John: Thanks for the tip on using grease. whatever I use, i'm going to hold it upright for a few seconds and see if it holds before attempting to re-install. oddly enough, the rod came out with the distributor with no problem. looked for a retainer but no sign of one needed.------------------
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 02-14-2004 07:12 PM
Mike I have never had mine come out. I hope you can get it back in without having to drop the pan. Don't they have a retainer ring so they don't pull out ?------------------
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adragon8u
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Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 07:13 PM
not this one appearantly.  ------------------
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Fastymz
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posted 02-14-2004 07:15 PM
Mike wouldn't it be better to put the rod back in,then the dist ?------------------
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 07:17 PM
the rod lays to one side and won't center to the distributor, tried it.------------------
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Fastymz
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posted 02-14-2004 07:18 PM
Mine kinda does too, but has always lined up, some times I'd have to rotate the motor back and forth until it lined up.------------------
SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8" 3.40 TracLoc. My Pics [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 02-14-2004).]
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 573
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 02-14-2004 07:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by adragon8u:
it's a long hex shape rod with a point at the bottom. flat end connects to the distributor and the pointed end goes down into the blocke for the oil pump? I honestly didn't thing I was going to get it out from the top, but got extremely lucky and don't want to risk dropping it in again.
John: Thanks for the tip on using grease. whatever I use, i'm going to hold it upright for a few seconds and see if it holds before attempting to re-install. oddly enough, the rod came out with the distributor with no problem. looked for a retainer but no sign of one needed.
Retainer may be in the pan. Run a strong magnet over the base of the oilpan after the engine is warm then drain the oil with magnet near the hole then see if anything shows up. Worst case run a magnetic oilpan drain plug. Just a few suggestions. I have been down the road on a few oil pump drop the shaft scenarios. Usaually ended in dropping the pan.
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nickmobile67
Gearhead Posts: 176
From: NJ
Registered: May 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 07:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by adragon8u:
it's a long hex shape rod with a point at the bottom. flat end connects to the distributor and the pointed end goes down into the blocke for the oil pump? I honestly didn't thing I was going to get it out from the top, but got extremely lucky and don't want to risk dropping it in again.
John: Thanks for the tip on using grease. whatever I use, i'm going to hold it upright for a few seconds and see if it holds before attempting to re-install. oddly enough, the rod came out with the distributor with no problem. looked for a retainer but no sign of one needed.
You answered your own question. You said it came out with the distributor just fine. It isn't supposed to come out with the distributor, it should have a clip to hold it in the oil pump side.
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 07:53 PM
well, at any rate. I got it guys. I used Johns idea with the grease to hold it to the distributor. It took me several tries, but it all at once dropped down all the way, lined up with my marks, and has oil pressure when I start it. I gotta be one of the luckiest idiots what's ever worked on a car  . Just for the record, I found out that the handle of an acid brush will fit over the shaft and then pulling back to create grip while pulling up lets you bring the shaft right up and out of the engine. Safed my butt a few times. Thanks for all the help and advice. BTW, I looked at both end of the shaft and it didn't show any sign of a retainer being used, how are they supposed to grip?------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-14-2004 08:14 PM
It looks like an internal lock washer.------------------
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 08:23 PM
so does it grip by pressure alone? Like I said, neither end of the shaft looked like it even used one. another dumb question..I'm not sure I know what an internal lock washer looks like. Is it like a nylagrip nut?------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-14-2004 08:27 PM
Imagine a ring with six legs internally that grips the pump driveshaft. Very similar to the clips that hold the cables on the vent ducts under your dash.------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 08:32 PM
okay, Now I see what you meen. That's why it didn't appear to have had one before. Thanks again. Like I said, I must be one lucky idiot, because it just popped back together all of a sudden, and I have oil pressure. At least I thought in advance to mark where the rotor pointed "before" I removed it, and "after I removed it so that all I had to do was line it up to the first mark and it lined right up when it when in.------------------
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
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posted 02-14-2004 09:08 PM
Mike glad it worked for you. I'd do like Tom said just to be sure the ring isn't in there.------------------
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-14-2004 09:43 PM
Good Idea. I'm going to have to pull the pan anyway and either replace or repair the one that's on it now. It looks like there's lots of clearance, but I don't know.------------------
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