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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-28-2004 10:41 AM
   
Well, it looks like I'm going to have to pull my fenders and start the repair on my cowling leak. I did a search and found the thread where the lady crawled up under the dash with the dremel and cut out the old hat and installed the new one. She makes it sounds "not too hard" compared to the alternative of pulling the windshield. Are there any pictures out there of one of the units out of the car, so I can see exactly what I'm dealing with and how they are layed out. I like to "study" the subject well before I make my first attempt at repair.
Thanks ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-28-2004 12:12 PM
http://www.karmustang.com/ used to have a real nice series on cowl repair on their web site, but I couldn't find it.  It's a real bear of a job on a early Mustang, because you have to cut a couple hundred spot welds. {on my '70 you just remove a few screws} I'm my opinion, the hard way is the only way if you want it done right. The real place you want to get at is under the cowl panel. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-28-2004 03:40 PM
Thanks Steve. Unfortunately for me, the correct way is an absolute impossibility. I found a old thread here just 2 days ago where some lady put in caps and had pics and everything but now I can't find it. I guess the only other possibility is to order a cowl cover from Cal-Mustang. I know I'll have to remove the fenders at least to clean out the drains.------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-28-2004 03:50 PM
Is this it? http://www.stephanies-mustang.com/cowl2.htmI thought Sam had it listed on his excellent site, and he did. He has links to a few other cowl repairs, too, on this page:
http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/68projects.html ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-28-2004 03:55 PM
That's the one Steve! Now that looks like a method I can deal with. Have you read the method she used? I don't mean to be cheap or less than perfect when it comes to repairing the leak,I'm just a poor white boy trying to make ends meet.  If it was a real safety item like brakes or something, then I wouldn't skimp. Thanks again for the link.------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-28-2004 04:13 PM
Well, it's not pretty but it should buy you a few years. That lady sounds like quite a ingenius person.  Be sure you wear some good eye protection! I don't envy you, lying on your back and running a Dremel overhead.  ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-28-2004 04:25 PM
Thanks again Steve. If I don't have to remove the winshield or deal with 125 spot welds, crawling up under the dash is a piece of cake. I'll remove the front seats and lay down a thick blanket. Did I mention I'm poor? that translates to "thin torso". At 5'10" and 175 lbs, I don't see doing it that big of an issue. Wish me luck. I'll take pics and send updates of course.------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-28-2004 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by adragon8u:
Did I mention I'm poor? that translates to "thin torso". At 5'10" and 175 lbs, I don't see doing it that big of an issue.
That will be a BIG help! ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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cynot65
Gearhead Posts: 1178
From: New York
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 01-28-2004 05:03 PM
Dude coming from a guy who went the "correct" way. I couldn't let this thread go without suggesting that you find a temporary means until it can be done right. Is your car going to be exposed to the elements. If not, a cover will suffice. OK I feel I've done my mustang duty. Now be very cqareful when you're under that dash. Not only good eye ware but also consider a hat of some sort, something to cover your mouth and neck. A good fan to blow most of the crap away from you is also a big plus. The only other thing I can recommend is that you be patient and take the proper time between each step. Good luck it's not an easy job.
Tony C*------------------
65 Convertible, Vintage Burgandy/Standard Black Interior, 289, 4spd
M&M Member#450
It ain't done yet, but it'll be done right!!
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-28-2004 05:17 PM
thanks Tony. it will be exposed to the elements as much as you can get in central California. contrary to popular belief, we actually do get rain here on occasion. . For my income/knowledge/time. what I'm planning on doing is about as correct as I can get. If I can stop water from entering the car I'll be a happy camper. I think if I can repair the leak and combine it with opening the drains, then it may just last me until I'm in a better economic posistion to do it right. and maybe a cowl cover for added insurance.------------------
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John Z
Gearhead Posts: 390
From: Morgantown, WV
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 01-28-2004 06:02 PM
I liked that web page so much I bought the car. Check out - http://johnz.mustangsandmore.ws/
The car has recently come back from the paint shop but I'm looking for time to put the chrome, etc. back on it.
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 01-28-2004 06:15 PM
That's cool John. So how do you like the cowl repair?------------------
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John Z
Gearhead Posts: 390
From: Morgantown, WV
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 01-29-2004 06:40 PM
Works great - but then I haven't had it out in the weather without a cover over the vents. Didn't want to take a chance on the "drive home" and haven't been out in the rain since.
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sphillips
Journeyman Posts: 7
From: Murfreesboro, Tn. usa
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 02-19-2004 03:05 PM
Here's what I did. Take the fenders off, then take a die grinder with a thin-wheel cut-off disk and carefully cut the top end of the crowl off (area under the fender) and drill out the spot welds on the bottom. You will then have a big hole to get into the crowl with your hands. Cut out all the rotted metal. Go to the hardware store and buy a 8" wall-mount wood stove pipe flange (has the correct dia. and metal thickness). Trim it to shape and bondo-glass it into the crowl. Paint. Then take the piece that you cut out with the die grinder and weld it back in place. All of this is under the fender and can't be seen. It works great and is easier to do than you think.
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 02-19-2004 03:13 PM
Thanks sphillips. And welcome to M&M.
What I did is very close to what you described. You can see what I did on my webpage under the "Brief history" link. ------------------
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