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JoeStang
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posted 01-26-2004 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoeStang   Click Here to Email JoeStang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all, I'm new to the board and new to classic Mustangs (new to V8 entirely my previous car was a VW Karman Ghia). I recently bought a 1968 coupe with a low mileage rebuilt 302 with Edelbrock Performer RPM heads, a 350 cam, holly 650, headers, gear drive and C4 transmission.

I have owned the car for about a month and in that time have noticed a ticking sound develop. The only thing I have done to the car so far is change the oil. I drained the standard oil and replaced it with mobile 1 synthetic. I don't remember hearing the sound before I changed the oil.

The ticking sound isn't real loud, I can barely hear it when I am under the hood. Its much more noticeable when I am sitting in the driver seat. The ticking speeds up with the RPM. When I start the car and warm it up with a little gas (the choke is not connected) I hear the sound. When I have the car in drive at a stoplight I hear the sound. When I am driving and I accelerate I hear the sound. If I am at cruising speed but am not accelerating the sound seems to go away. If I am coasting downhill the sound disappears too.


This weekend I put a screwdriver to my ear and against various parts of the engine - the valve covers, the intake manifold, the headers - but couldn't locate the sound.

I ran my hand down next to the headers and felt general air rushing around but not specifically from the headers. No intermitant popping air for sure.

From searching the internet it seems like it could be a sticky lifter so I went to Pep Boys to see if they could recommend an additive that might free it. They recommended Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer. I drained 1 qt of the Mobile 1 and replaced it with 1 qt of the Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer. I drove the car around town for about 40 mins but the ticking is still there.

I also occassionally get a burning smell after I have accelerated moderatly hard. Not all the time but occassionally. The smell lasts for about 30 secs to a min and clears up. I honestly couldnt say if its an burning oil smell or a transmission fluid smell - seems like oil to me. I noticed a little bit of oil on one of the center sparkplug wires on the driver side. I tightened the valve cover bolts a bit but the leak still seems to be there so I will be replacing the valve cover gaskets. I am thinking the burning smell I am getting is from the leak running down on the headers. I don't know if the smell and the tick might have anything to do with each other.

Looking for your experience and suggestions on where to look next to get rid of the ticking. Could it be the octane in the gasoline? I use supreme unleaded, do I need to add an octane booster? If it is a sticky lifter is it doing damage to my car or just annoying me? Any help would be great.

Thanks!

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capri man
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posted 01-26-2004 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lots of times an exhaust leak will sound just like a lifter ticking. take the fan belt off and see if the air is still there around the exhaust. of course i guess you know just to run it long enough idling to do the check.

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Fastymz
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posted 01-26-2004 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to MustangsandMore
Sounds like an exhaust leak to me too.

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adragon8u
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posted 01-26-2004 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
welcome to M&M. yeah, I have to agree with the exhaust leak. My 289 has a small one on the drivers side.

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JoeStang
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posted 01-26-2004 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoeStang   Click Here to Email JoeStang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the advice guys. So it sounds like I should start with replacing the header gaskets? Do I need to know the maker of the headers or will any 302 header gaskets work? Changing the gaskets is something I can do with the engine in the car yes? Do I disconnect the headers from the Y-pipe or will there be enough play to install new gaskets just by disconnecting at the heads? Like I said...newbie...

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Fastymz
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posted 01-26-2004 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd start by checking that all the bolts are tight, and check the collectors bolts too.

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heavenerm
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posted 01-27-2004 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenerm   Click Here to Email heavenerm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a little tick going on, and found it was a loose rocker. Tightened it down and it went away. I think mine went away with acceleration, but I can't remember. Just one more thing to think about. Good luck,

Micah

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JoeStang
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posted 01-28-2004 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoeStang   Click Here to Email JoeStang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bingo. It turned out that 3 of the header bolts on the driver side head were finger loose and 1 bolt was missing. I tightened up all the bolts and magically the sound disappeared .

Now I need to find a bolt to replace the missing one. I checked in the summit catalog and found a bolt set with locking washers and hex (with allen bolt centers) heads for around $50 (which seems unbelievably high for 16 bolts and washers but oh well...).

Off hand does anyone know if the Edelbrock Performer RPM heads for a 302 takes 3/4" or 1" bolts? Has anyone tried a set of these header bolts? Thanks for all the suggestions Molly purrrs like a kitten again.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-28-2004 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My suggestion: Find a hole that doesn't need a header bolt and is hidden from view, then put a standard 3/8" x 3/4" bolt there and just use the header bolt where you need it.

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Fastymz
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posted 01-28-2004 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad it worked out, and yeah that sounds way to high $$ for bolts. Instead do what SteveL said and save $50.

One last thing I'd drain that Lucus additive from PepBoys I've never heard any good things about that stuff and start again with fresh oil.
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