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Topic: Mustang and Fords subscribers.....
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460-67Stang
Gearhead Posts: 241
From: Southern Ohio, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-19-2003 09:49 AM
   
Did you get your Jan '04 issue yet? Did you get the 2004 M&F calender with it? No? Neither did I. I didn't realize this till I
decided to kill some time and browse through the same issue at the local grocery (while the wife shopped!!). As I turned the pages I realized there was a real nice 2004 Stang calender stapled in it that I (a long time subscriber) didn't get!I've fired off an email to M&F asking what's up.
Brian
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71RESTO
Gearhead Posts: 1310
From: Oregon, USA
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-19-2003 10:37 AM
This same topic came up on another board. Mine didn't show up till this past tuesday & without the calender. I had bought one in the grocery last week with a calender. The general concensus was it was a marketing thing for the newsstand copies only.------------------
Duane
71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto)
73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed)
66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's)
89 LX 2.3 convertible (daughter Amanda's)
M & M Member #730
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 36138
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-19-2003 10:56 AM
I don't see anything wrong with that. Magazine calendars are never worth anything anyway.------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 243
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-19-2003 04:03 PM
Got mine at the local quick shop it had a calander I guess thats why I paid more than a subscriber.------------------
67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS Crate engine 5 spd cable clutch 13.39 on 205/70/14 BFG @104 mph Flowmasters X Pipe 4.11 9". Body shop NOW! 03 Focus ZX3 BORLA exhaust Wings West spoiler (Arrest ME RED)
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66HIPO&more
Gearhead Posts: 3201
From: SLC, UT
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 12-19-2003 04:20 PM
Ya all oughta subscribe to the Mustangs Plus catalog. There's a calendar this month and it's even free! But best of all Mike's 68 vert CRISIS is on the cover!  J.
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bud4660
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: Mesquite, Tx
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 12-19-2003 05:51 PM
The one I picked up at the store has one. Dallas Mustang Parts is giving away the same one for free.
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 1907
From: Beaufort, SC
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 12-20-2003 12:26 AM
Welcome to Mustangsandmore, Bud!Apparently I renewed my subscription before I was deployed last time, and forgot to tell Casey, as none of the payment requests were paid (she thought they were renewel offers and threw them out, not paying enought attention to see they were actual bills). Didn't realize the mix-up until we got a chastising letter from a collection agency requesting IMMEDIATE payment. Oops. Getting to the point, I didn't exactly get the new issue yet, and even if they were giving out calenders to long-time subscribers, I still wouldn't have gotten one. Anybody know if they would have tried to re-possess my back-issues if I hadn't paid? [This message has been edited by sigtauenus (edited 12-20-2003).]
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 243
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-23-2003 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by sigtauenus:
Welcome to Mustangsandmore, Bud!Apparently I renewed my subscription before I was deployed last time, and forgot to tell Casey, as none of the payment requests were paid (she thought they were renewel offers and threw them out, not paying enought attention to see they were actual bills). Didn't realize the mix-up until we got a chastising letter from a collection agency requesting IMMEDIATE payment. Oops. Anybody know if they would have tried to re-possess my back-issues if I hadn't paid? [This message has been edited by sigtauenus (edited 12-20-2003).]
Justa tell them that you fall under the Soldiers and Sailors Act then they can't repo your back issues!!!------------------
67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS Crate engine 5 spd cable clutch 13.39 on 205/70/14 BFG @104 mph Flowmasters X Pipe 4.11 9". Body shop NOW! 03 Focus ZX3 BORLA exhaust Wings West spoiler (Arrest ME RED)
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 476
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 12-24-2003 03:48 AM
Mine here came with a calendar !..... sure ain't any mustang on that one though Must be some kind of a mail mix-up (or may be an add-on from my brother in law !)
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bud4660
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: Mesquite, Tx
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 12-24-2003 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by sigtauenus:
Welcome to Mustangsandmore, Bud!Apparently I renewed my subscription before I was deployed last time, and forgot to tell Casey, as none of the payment requests were paid (she thought they were renewel offers and threw them out, not paying enought attention to see they were actual bills). Didn't realize the mix-up until we got a chastising letter from a collection agency requesting IMMEDIATE payment. Oops. Getting to the point, I didn't exactly get the new issue yet, and even if they were giving out calenders to long-time subscribers, I still wouldn't have gotten one. Anybody know if they would have tried to re-possess my back-issues if I hadn't paid? [This message has been edited by sigtauenus (edited 12-20-2003).]
Thanks!!! I have been looking for the boards that deal with the older stangs. I just sold a 98GT Vert to pickup this 67GT Fastback S code car. Had one in high school and have always missed that car. Found this rust free one and jumped on it. So I have to learn all the old FE motor stuff again and all the other things I have forgot in 30+ years....lol ------------------
1967 GT Fastback S code, C6, 4:56, tubbed, 10 point cage. 1998 GT Convert.(sold 11/29/03)
Mesh Grille, Air Silencer Trimmed
Automatic, 3:73 FRPP Gears, Mac Girdle, Moser Axles
Griggs Sub's, Welded/Plated Torque Boxes, Strut Tower Brace, Strange 10way Struts, MM HD lower control arms, Rear air bags
ProStars 15x10 w/295/50/15, 15x4 w/P195/75/15 and ARP Studs, 9/16" spacers
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 2043
From: Oceano, Ca.
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 12-24-2003 12:23 PM
Merry Christmas and welcome to M&M Bud. You will find a plethera of help and knowledge here. Best site around, no need to search further.------------------
http://webpages.charter.net/adragon8u/mystang
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bud4660
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: Mesquite, Tx
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 12-24-2003 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by adragon8u:
Merry Christmas and welcome to M&M Bud. You will find a plethera of help and knowledge here. Best site around, no need to search further.
Thanks again!! Looks like a great place to hang out!! I'll try not to ask to many stupid questions....lol...I have been a member for awhile just lurking and reading. I plan on restoring as much of the car as possible since it's been tubbed and has a cage in it. Just finished redoing the dash and working on the carpet now. I was shooting for a year until it would be finished. At the rate I am going maybe 6 or 7 months. I havent had this much fun working on any of the other ones I have owned. So the desire to finish is driving me hard...lol...This is going to be the last one and the best one I have done!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone!!!! Have a safe holiday!!
Bud
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460-67Stang
Gearhead Posts: 241
From: Southern Ohio, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-30-2003 10:36 PM
I finally got a response. I am not impressed. You would think they would offer subscribers SOME kind of customer service. And a yearly calender is not too much to ask for, IMHO, especially when the counter version has one.I've been thinking about not renewing anyway...don't like the direction this rag is going. They just made my decision for me. ===================================
Dear Subscriber, In regards to your inquiry, the calendars come with the newsstand issues only. This is the publishers decision. Thank you
LA
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Originally posted by 460-67Stang:
Did you get your Jan '04 issue yet? Did you get the 2004 M&F calender with it? No? Neither did I. I didn't realize this till I
decided to kill some time and browse through the same issue at the local grocery (while the wife shopped!!). As I turned the pages I realized there was a real nice 2004 Stang calender stapled in it that I (a long time subscriber) didn't get!I've fired off an email to M&F asking what's up.
Brian
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69 Sportsroof
Gearhead Posts: 1402
From: Valley, Alabama, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 12-30-2003 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by 460-67Stang:
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Dear Subscriber,In regards to your inquiry, the calendars come with the newsstand issues only. This is the publishers decision. Thank you
LA
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Dear Mustang and Fords, In regard to your response, please cancel my subscription and refund my money. This is the customers decision. Thank you I understand the marketing idea behind this but the response you received sounds kind of snobbish.
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RICKS
Gearhead Posts: 287
From: Ocala, FL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-31-2003 10:20 AM
In all fairness, the buck-sixty per issue that subscribers pay only really covers the cost to print and bind the book, and mail it. These magazine subscriptions are incredible bargains when you analyze it from a what-you-get-for-what-you-pay standpoint ($1.60 barely gets you a 64 oz. Big Gulp). Don't get me wrong, subscribers are the heart & soul of the magazine, and very valuable to the financial picture, but subscribers are getting a whale of a discount compared to newsstand. Thanks to the advertisers and newsstand sales picking up enough slack, the books stay in business. Whatever they can do to boost newsstand sales is an important business necessity, and by inserting the calenders, the only way they can justify that expense is to profit from it via increased newsstand sales and the ad space within the calendar. When they insert calendars, they sell more on the newsstand, which hopefully pays for the expense of doing the calendars, and HOPEFULLY increases their subscribership when those newsstand buyers have the subscription card fall in their lap while they're on the john and they realize, "hey, I could get a whole year's worth of these for $19.97, and I just had to pay $3.99 plus tax at WalMart! But at least I got this calendar!.....". To spend the extra dough it would have taken to produce and print and insert the calendars into subscriber's magazines and mail them (extra weight costs extra postage) would look like this on a Profit/Loss statement:Calendar Expense: $$ a ton of money $$ Calendar Revenue from Subscribers: Zip-Zero-Zilch. The publisher is in charge of the business end of the magazine, which means sometimes making some cold but necessary decisions. Now, I'm sure that one argument is that by not inserting the calendar for subscribers, they are loosing subscribers, or not properly appreciating their subscribers. I think that number would be incredibally low, not enough to justify the expense of the calendars. Those are my thoughts. It may not have taken much more money to go ahead and give EVERYBODY a calendar for all I know, but obviously, the publisher looked at the whole thing and decided otherwise. But there's nothing surprising or new here. It is COMMON PRACTICE for all magazines that newsstand books and subscriber books receive different treatment, tailored to the unique needs of the individual markets. I've commonly seen value-adding things poly-bagged in with Car & Driver and Motor Trend on the newsstand, that I never got with the copy in my mailbox. Even cover designs can be different on those magazines, with the newsstand cover being flashier and more attention-getting. I never give it a second thought, that's the publishing business everywhere you look, not just Mustang & Ford.
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69 Sportsroof
Gearhead Posts: 1402
From: Valley, Alabama, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 12-31-2003 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by RICKS:
In all fairness,...
I agree with everything you said. It's the same thing for the SI subscribers. They dont get the "bonus" stuff that SI advertises after every major sporting event. It's to add new subscribers. I just thought that the reply 460-67Stang received had a kiss-off ring to it. The money I'm saving by subscribing is enough to buy plenty of nice calenders.
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RICKS
Gearhead Posts: 287
From: Ocala, FL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-31-2003 12:32 PM
No argument there, the reply definately could have been more tactful.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 5860
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-31-2003 09:48 PM
Next year the folks who got a calender from M&Fords newstand copies will be suscribers as a result and will scream for THEIR calender next year. LOL! That reply from M&Fords had as much tact as a turd in a punchbowl. It took a management decision to segregate the calenders. A wiser one would have been no calender at all! A month ago they sent me a terse letter that my subscription lapsed. As a result, got no Dec issue. Jan issue came and then Feb. with a expiration of May, l4. AM going to let it lapse along with Mustang Times. That'll put me down to MMonthly and Hemmings.
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 243
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-31-2003 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by mellowyellow:
Next year the folks who got a calender from M&Fords newstand copies will be suscribers as a result and will scream for THEIR calender next year. LOL! That reply from M&Fords had as much tact as a turd in a punchbowl. It took a management decision to segregate the calenders. A wiser one would have been no calender at all! A month ago they sent me a terse letter that my subscription lapsed. As a result, got no Dec issue. Jan issue came and then Feb. with a expiration of May, l4. AM going to let it lapse along with Mustang Times. That'll put me down to MMonthly and Hemmings.
Inresponse to the costs of the calander. "they don't have to publish a calander every month only once a year"------------------
67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS Crate engine 5 spd cable clutch 13.39 on 205/70/14 BFG @104 mph Flowmasters X Pipe 4.11 9". Body shop NOW! 03 Focus ZX3 BORLA exhaust Wings West spoiler (Arrest ME RED)
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460-67Stang
Gearhead Posts: 241
From: Southern Ohio, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 01-05-2004 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by mellowyellow:
That reply from M&Fords had as much tact as a turd in a punchbowl.
Man I just fell off my chair LOL. That's too damn funny. Gonna remember that one and recycle it! Yea, I thought the response was a bit turse myself. And I understand RICKS points and I can't disagree. Controlling costs is a way of life for business these days. Heck, they'll probably start editing and printing from India next (spoken like a true outsourced IT guy...but that's another story). I just thought they'd send me a calendar since I asked for it. Later guys,
Brian
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