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Topic: cleveland heads ?
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fastford34
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: penna
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-15-2003 04:10 PM
   
i came across an ad for a rebuilt cleveland, it states that it has cannonball heads. this is a first for me. what are they (cannonball heads)? thanks. ------------------
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6060
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 08-15-2003 05:52 PM
I've never heard of such a thing.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-15-2003 05:54 PM
Me either.Maybe they were assembled while drinking cannonballs. ------------------
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 08-15-2003 06:04 PM
maybe some off the wall reference to the cannonball runs of yesteryear? 
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fastford34
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: penna
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-15-2003 08:43 PM
i am going to TRY to find out what the seller means. will update when i (?) get the info.------------------
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fastford34
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: penna
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-17-2003 07:52 PM
i contacted the seller & asked him to tell me what the heads are.
quote: cannon ball heads are really well performing heads made by ford,extremely rare.with this statement,i now have very serious doubts about this motor. i`ve checked all my ford books & found no mention of RARE heads,cannon ball or otherwise. thanks for the help. ------------------
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6060
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 08-17-2003 10:27 PM
He has no idea what he has so he made some crap up to try and make them more appealing to the general masses.
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65racecoupe
Gearhead Posts: 128
From: Layton UT,
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-18-2003 02:34 PM
Dude, buy them.They are CANNONBALL heads! Hello!
I doubt you will have any luck on Yahoo finding what the hell this guy means.
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65racecoupe
Gearhead Posts: 128
From: Layton UT,
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-18-2003 02:43 PM
I got....Cannonball Baker
Cannonball run
Cannonball, Civil War
Cannonball, Tower of Pisa No cannonball cylinder heads. Not even Yahoo knows what they are.
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 583
From: Killingworth, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 08-18-2003 10:09 PM
Probably referring to the size of the ports in a 4V head. Kinda like the "Shotgun Hemi", aka Boss 429. Different people develop weird acronyms for things, maybe his buddies call them "Cannonball" becaue it looks like you could fit one in there. Best way is to get the casting numbers off them and go from there....
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fastford34
Gearhead Posts: 834
From: penna
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-19-2003 03:09 PM
this is the original ad:
351 cleveland for sale
400 plus hp with cannon ball heads
0 miles on it
$1600.00 call 908-612-6107 or e-mail at [email protected]I asked for more specifications & this was the reply:
trw pistons- 10:1 compression/ bored 30 over / rotating assy is blue printed & balanced / cannon ball heads are really well performing heads made by Ford,extremely rare - heads are decked & have 3 angle valve job, rods have been shot peened meaning they are stronger / cam is bigger but lost info on it / stock crank & rockers. block numbers- 2B169318. i was interested in it to have some spare equipment for my "c" but now i`m kind of shy due to the vague info & cannonball head deal. i`ll find another 1 sooner or later. thanks,just wanted to be sure it wasnt something i didnt know about clevelands. ------------------
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 836
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 08-19-2003 04:43 PM
Decked heads??Shot peened rods stronger?   This stuff could be worth a little, but the seller is either very uninformed, or trying to B.S. the buyer. ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42859
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-19-2003 06:42 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dad Vishus:
Shot peened rods stronger?
That part is legit, they shot peen connecting rods with steel shot to give them a surface hardening. That's what made Boss 351 rods Boss 351 rods, for example, along with stronger bolts. ------------------
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adragon8u
Gearhead Posts: 4857
From: Oceano, Ca. member# 2895
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 08-19-2003 09:23 PM
I talked to a guy who has a shop around the corner here and he's never heard of "cannonball" heads either. he builds up Harleys, but I still think his knowledge qualifies him as a source of good info. the guy worked for Harvey Crane years back.
here's his page.
http://www.floheadworks.com/------------------
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69_sportsroof
Gearhead Posts: 221
From: Camino Calif (yeah, it does snow here)
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-20-2003 10:50 PM
oooh i got some rare ford parts too...lightweight cleveland blocks..biiiig holes in cyl walls...and some of them rare angled rods even a super rare 3 piece crank with matching cam Jay------------------
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Dad Vishus
Gearhead Posts: 836
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 08-21-2003 11:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
That part is legit, they shot peen connecting rods with steel shot to give them a surface hardening. That's what made Boss 351 rods Boss 351 rods, for example, along with stronger bolts.
Well, yes and no.The surface is smoothed up and hardened to a degree by shot peening, but the base material the rod is made from is still the same. Shot peening and beam polishing will eliminate places for stress cracks to begin, but the steel the rod is made from remains the same. We have had no failures with stock rods other than ones caused by something else. The big disadvantage is weight. They are strong enough for some pretty serious horsepower.  ------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
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senzstang
Gearhead Posts: 248
From: perry, oh, usa
Registered: May 2002
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posted 08-21-2003 12:15 PM
Does the motor have 620# piston return springs? It seems to have everything else!Phil
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