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Topic: starters won't fit...HELP!!!! (kinda long)
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kewljay223
Gearhead Posts: 263
From: Long Beach, California
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-23-2003 11:57 PM
   
i am having a problem finding a starter that will fit my car. i have a 351 cleveland and a 4 speed top loader. but the thing that i think might be the problem is that the tranny is from a 1975 granada. i bought the tranny, bellhousing, and flywheel from the guy and everything bolted up to the engine and car perfectly with no problems. now i go to buy a starter and it doesnt fit. it is to big. the casing is hiting the oil pan right where it meets the block. i can get the top bolt in but the bottom one doesnt line up. its only about a half an inch off. and yes i have tried starters for both cars with different engine possibilities ( i have tried about 3 or 4 different starters) is it because the bellhousing is smaller? does this mean i have to get a new tranny and everything? please help!!!
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4727
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 04-24-2003 12:06 AM
Have you tried the mini high torque starter, don,t know if it would work but worth a try. I am sure the more experienced guys here will be able to help you.
JOHN 
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kewljay223
Gearhead Posts: 263
From: Long Beach, California
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-24-2003 12:18 AM
ill try anything at this point. i really dont want to change the whole setup AGAIN!! where would i get the mini starter at? thanks for your reply.
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catman_45
Journeyman Posts: 63
From: Moscow, ID, USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 04-24-2003 12:38 AM
http://store.summitracing.com/product.asp?d=11&s=223&p=2292&searchtype=ecatthat's one from Summit, I'm sure theres more out there, I just typed 'mini high torque starter' into google.com
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4727
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 04-24-2003 01:38 AM
These will also help you out.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2001/08/ministarter/
http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/starters/starters.html#86050 http://www.4alterstart.com/racestarters/ http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racingsuperstore/ford1.html
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racingsuperstore/formothitorm.html
http://www.enginecentre.com.au/starters-ford.html
JOHN
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98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1258
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-24-2003 02:49 AM
Are you trying to use a starter from an automatic by chance? Back in the late 70`s, I bought a 4 speed toploader, bellhousing, flywheel, clutch linkage etc from a wrecker, to convert my 70 Mustang FB 351C 4v from the FMX to a stick. When I tried to install my original starter, it would bottom out inside the bellhousing, before the mounting flange of the starter was seated. The starter flange was sticking out about 1/4". That was when I discouvered that the starters for the 4 speed had a slightly shorter snout than the automatic. Something to look into.------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19964
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-24-2003 09:27 AM
Yup, what Rory said.
Stick starter noses are indeed shorter.------------------
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kewljay223
Gearhead Posts: 263
From: Long Beach, California
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-24-2003 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
Are you trying to use a starter from an automatic by chance?
one of the starters i got (i think it was the first one i tried) was for an automatic then i heard that it was different between the autos and manuals so i stuck with the manuals and they still didnt fit. so i will look into the mini starters. and is the mounting flange supposed to slip inside the bellhousing or just rest on the edge on the outside of the hole? i have been wondering that also.
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kewljay223
Gearhead Posts: 263
From: Long Beach, California
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-24-2003 01:52 PM
i have looked through the sites that were posted and i see that there are several different brands to choose from. has anyone here ever used one of these? are they dependable like it says they are and which brand would be the best one to purchase? i am thinking of getting one of theses because they seem like they would help me out in my situation.
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 503
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 04-24-2003 06:13 PM
I had a similar problem using a 157 tooth flexplate on a 351C.
The body of the starter would hit the pan. I was able to roll
the lipp of the pan back enough to make the starter fit. You
should probably count the flywheel teeth since starters for
157 and 164 teeth flywheels are different. If it is 157, you can
use the Ford permanent magnet mini starter. Dan Jones
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