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DocVoodoo
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Posts: 164
From: Plainfield CT USA
Registered: Feb 2003

posted 03-31-2003 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocVoodoo        Reply w/Quote
Ok i found a web page that seemed to help me decode Ford part #'s . It goes on to tell me just how to tell the year it was made and for what type of Car. Can some of you guys please cheak this web page out and then your Car to see if it matches .
I was looking at intake manifolds to replace the after market one on my 1966. I am looking at 4 barrel ones for a 1966 mustang . the ones on Ebay are all 1965 and none are original stang. Not that it matters but just wondering if this web page is correct.


http://www.ford-y-block.com/fordpartnumbers.htm

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RonnieT
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Posts: 912
From: Port Allen, La. 70767
Registered: Jun 99

posted 03-31-2003 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RonnieT        Reply w/Quote
The information I have shows you need a intake manifold Part# C4OZ-9424-G and Casting# C6OE-9425-B for a 66 A code engine. Hope this helps you out.

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Ronnie
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BornInAFord
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Posts: 610
From: Bend, OR, USA
Registered: Dec 2002

posted 03-31-2003 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord        Reply w/Quote
Hey, Doc!

The part numbers you refer to are the engineering numbers. These only refer to the original release date, not to the date actually released. I believe that Ford trucks (school buses, actually) still have some new parts put on them manufactured in 2003 that have a C2 number--such as the brake pedal assembly--which were introduced in 1962 and haven't changed. If you have a 1967 HiPo engine, your original cast iron manifolds would have a C3O-9431-B number for one side and a C5ZZ-9430-B for the other side, even though they were manufactured in 1967.

For a Ford, use the engineering release number as a tool among others to narrow dates down. For example, if your 1966 Mustang has a C8 coded engine block, you know you have a block (a 302 block, which debuted in 1968) that was manufactured after the car was built, thus not original. If it was a C5 casting number, you may (or may not) have the original block. You would have to check for other casting dates to help indicate originality. Even this isn't a failsafe way to prove originality (unless you have a HiPo block which has the VIN of the car stamped on it), because you can buy an engine built with casting dates about a month or two earlier than your car was built.

I hope this helps.

Daniel

BornInAFord
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posted 03-31-2003 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord        Reply w/Quote
make that a C3OZ-9431-B, not a C3O-9431-B as I wrote earlier, not that you care

I hope I was clear enough that there is no difference between a 1966 4bbl and a 1965 4bbl casting number because they didn't release a newly designed or modified casting. Go ahead, buy any 4bbl C5ZZ-casting manifold. They were a pretty good design and only weigh 30lbs more than new aluminum ones.

Daniel

BornInAFord
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posted 03-31-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord        Reply w/Quote
Sorry about the confusion between casting and engineering part numbers. The information I gave above are only engineering part numbers. I am babysitting my kids while my wife is out on the town for an evening and keep getting distracted... Oh, well. I'll be even more distracted in a few minutes when the kids are in bed and she gets home.
Daniel

KULTULZ
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From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002

posted 03-31-2003 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Not that it matters but just wondering if this web page is correct.

No, it is not totally correct. There are three sets of part nos., Casting I.D., Engineering and Service Part No.

There is also a date code cast into many parts as well as the possibility of an assembly date stamped. There is also an assembly part no. as in a carb., engine or trans. I.D. no.

If you are searching for a concours correct part, there are many reference sources out there that will give you what you seek.

Ronnie T. gave you the most common casting I.D. no. for your application, although there were several other possibilties.

The date code is usually what will throw you;

-Reading Casting Codes-
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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

BornInAFord
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posted 04-01-2003 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord        Reply w/Quote
Here is another reference.

http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/casting-numbers-page-2-ford-casting-numbers-explained.html

KULTULZ gave a web site that explains the casting number issue well. So often we (I) get in trouble by thinking I know more than I really do and buy something I think is a real find only to find out that my read on the part/casting/date numbers was at best incomplete.

Daniel

Tom G
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From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
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posted 04-01-2003 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom G        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BornInAFord:
Here is another reference.

http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/casting-numbers-page-2-ford-casting- numbers-explained.html

KULTULZ gave a web site that explains the casting number issue well. So often we (I) get in trouble by thinking I know more than I really do and buy something I think is a real find only to find out that my read on the part/casting/date numbers was at best incomplete.

Daniel


MONEYMAKER Alex is also a source of casting number/pn info. He is a busy man with racing season coming though.

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KULTULZ
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Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
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posted 04-01-2003 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
The site given above is more accurate than the first, but still contains mistakes.

It states that a MOTORSPORTS Service Part No. has M in the fourth position of the prefix. Actually, the M is the prefix and the basic part no. for the most part follows the P&A system.

You also have Holman-Moody Part Nos., i.e. C6HM. See how it differs from the regular system?

Shelby...S1MS is actually 1965 release but has 1 in the second position of the prefix. 2 is for 1966. 7 is for 1967 and so on.

It also states the character used on the suffix as they progress gives indication of part evolvement. Not always true. This is example only. C9ZE 6200-A may designate a connecting rod for a BOSS 302 whereas C9ZE 6200-B may be a connecting rod for a 428SCJ.

The suffix can also designate left or right, front or rear or just finish of the part.

Then you have another numbering system called The Standard Part No. that designates fasteners, springs and many other small parts that are used between all vehicles. On later FORD SPN, you will also see the inclusion of MAZDA (ESCORT-TAURUS) and NISSAN (Villager).

On top of this, FORD has changed their prefix system in the last few years. XF1Z will be a prefix. It uses the actual VIN to indicate year of production.

How about a real old one...prefix 7HA. H is the engine code of the vehicle and the A and 7 indicates it as a 1947 part no.

So you have to take it all with a grain of salt. It is not a cut and dry system.

Ryan Wilke
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From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
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posted 04-01-2003 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke        Reply w/Quote
KULTULZ,
What would you call/say about a SBF aluminum intake with the casting prefix of: SFJK-9434C ?

-- It looked very similar to a C90X-B, Edelbrock F4B, or COBRA intake....but instead of FORD or COBRA, it had SHELBY cast on the front 'pad'.

Ryan

DidgeyTrucker
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From: Greenbrier, TN USA
Registered: Oct 99

posted 04-01-2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker        Reply w/Quote
The "Shelby" (or actually "CS SHELBY") lettered intakes, valve covers and oval air cleaners were over the counter aftermarket items sold by Shelby American. GRAB IT!!!

One of these CS SHELBY intakes for a 429/460 was sold on eBay recently for $450! (The seller said it was cast for the never produced 1971 Shelby Mustang)

Tracy

Ryan Wilke
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Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 04-02-2003 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke        Reply w/Quote
Tracy:
Just to be clear - this intake doesn't have any 'CS' in the casting....it just has 'SHELBY' cast on it.

Ryan

P.S.
I was wondering what the prefix 'SFJK' might of been related to????????

DocVoodoo
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From: Plainfield CT USA
Registered: Feb 2003

posted 04-06-2003 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocVoodoo        Reply w/Quote
Ok found an intake and carb syas its off a stang what do you guys think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409892929&category=36474

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KULTULZ
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Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002

posted 04-06-2003 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
The intake manifold could be correct, I don't know for sure. The casting and date code are correct for the 65 model year, but...

The carb (C4GF-AE) is from the MERCURY line (it is not listed as being used on the FORD side) so it may be possible that this combination (if it was actually assembled this way) could be off a COMET of that year.

Unusual that a 64 carb would be on a 65 manifold. This is why I never got into restoration. Too many ifs, ands or buts.

There are sources available that will give you this information to do a correct restoration. If you are only looking for period correct, you found it.

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