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bibbs68
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From: Jackson, TN
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 01-15-2003 12:06 PM
   
Okay, here is my ignorance showing. Well, I guess just the fact that I don't know much.Is there a standard 428 or were they all cobra jets? ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-15-2003 12:22 PM
Yup, you could have gotten a regular 428 in granny's Country Squire wagon. But even they had balls.  ------------------
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bibbs68
Gearhead Posts: 1142
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posted 01-15-2003 12:24 PM
What are some quick tell tale signs of which engine would be in this 66 p/u I am looking at?
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-15-2003 12:30 PM
Actually there were 5 different 428 engines.
Six if you count the hybrid 67 dual quad Shelby GT-500 with was nothing but the standard 428 with a 427 medium riser dual quad set up.65-68 428 hydraulic cam, Autolite carb T-Bird, Galaxie, etc 345 HP engine 65-68 428 solid lifter, aluminum intake, Holley carb PI special and early 1968 Shelby GT-500 355 HP 68.5-70 428 CJ 335 HP 69-70 428 SCJ 335 HP and 69 Canadian 428 SCJ 335 HP (different heads and compression)
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-15-2003 12:40 PM
The 428 is a tough engine to ID from the outside. There are regular 428s, Cobra Jets, and Super Cobra Jets. Here's a handy page: http://www.428cobrajet.com/id-block.html ------------------
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cobravenom71
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From: Kissimee, Fl USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 01-15-2003 12:51 PM
Isn't it true that Ford actually 'somehow' slipped a few 390's between the fenders of some cars that were to supposed to recieve a 428?
I have heard several times that some of the GT-500's came with 390's 'masquerading' as 428s.
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-15-2003 01:06 PM
Yes there were several 67 GT-500's that were shipped with the original "S" code 390 that Ford put in them. Shelby bolted on the dual quads and let them go so delayed orders could be filled. An unexpected demand for 428's in the new for 67 T-Bird and a huge contract with the Feds took FoMoCo by surprise and Shelby was on the bottom of the list for recieving engines. Most, if not all went to Hertz.------------------
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mustangboy
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From: Ont, Canada
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 01-15-2003 01:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bibbs68:
What are some quick tell tale signs of which engine would be in this 66 p/u I am looking at?
Unfortunately there aren't any.If everything is stock maybe but a 428 wouldn't be stock in a pickup so don't count on that.I bought a 390 out of a 66 t-bird,it had all the correct numbers,even had the little metal tag bolted on the intake that said 66 390.When I tore it down a couple of years later it was a 352 with a 390 intake 
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-15-2003 01:57 PM
The only tell tale feature on a 428 in a vehicle is that they all had 4 bolts per exhuast port on the heads for the manifolds/headers.------------------
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seaweed
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Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-15-2003 04:33 PM
Didn"t all those big blocks have 352 stamped on them reguardless of what C.I. they were.??? S.
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-15-2003 05:23 PM
Yes------------------
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mustangboy
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From: Ont, Canada
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 01-16-2003 12:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
The only tell tale feature on a 428 in a vehicle is that they all had 4 bolts per exhuast port on the heads for the manifolds/headers.
This is only true for the CJs.The standard 428s only had the regular 2 bolt pattern on each port.
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Rory McNeil
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From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-16-2003 03:21 AM
Thats right, the big car 428`s used the same heads as the 390`s. Easiest way to check for a 428 is to do a stroke check, with a wire, or screwdriver in the spark plug hole. Put #1 cyl. on TDC, stick the wire/screwdriver in the plug hole, & make a mark where it touches the bottom of the valve cover flange, Now, slowly turn the engine 1/2 a turn, untill the piston won`t drop any lower, then make another mark. Measure the distance between the marks. 352& 360`s will be 3 1/2"`s. 390 will be 4 3/4"`s, & a 410-428 will be roughly 4"`s. ------------------
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Ryan Wilke
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From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-16-2003 12:42 PM
Rory,
That's a simple enough way of doing it! -- much easier than pulling a head off to measure the stroke!  Ryan
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 01-16-2003 05:11 PM
?????
How's come I got some C7AE-D 428 heads that done come off of a 67 po-lice car that have 4 bolts per exhaust port???????
 Hmmmmmm
They are small ports similar if not identical to a 390 GT head.------------------
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