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BaLleRz68
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posted 12-27-2002 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BaLleRz68   Click Here to Email BaLleRz68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought this stuff called "Gunk motor flush," Is it any good? Are there any products worth buying to flush the oil system? Are there any precautions or certin procedures I should do? Any thoughts are appreciated. THanks.

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soaring
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posted 12-27-2002 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soaring   Click Here to Email soaring     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I am not familiar with that product, nor have I read the ingredients, I cannot qualify its' use. However, most motor flushes contain some kind of distillant which melts the old oil into the bottom of the pan. What I have used for many years is Diesel. I drain the engine of all the old oil, then fill the engine with diesel, then drain that. After that, I take off the oil pan and wipe it completelely clean before putting a new gasket back on and refilling with good oil and replacing the filter.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-27-2002 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't. In your oiling system the LAST thing you want is grit floating around, or sludge semidissolved and migrated to narrow orifaces and plugging.

Aside from increasing the frequency of oil changes, I wouldn't tempt fate like that.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 12-27-2002 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Steve... it sounds dangerous and questionable.

I've been a religious 3000 mile oil changer since I was a kid, but I understood detergent additives in motor oil to act as a full-time 'flushing' agent anyway

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posted 12-27-2002 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've used the Motor Flush product with a lot of success many times. I only use(d) it on "OLD" gummed up engines that have sticky lifters and mud in the crank case. It's a combination of diesel fuel and reducers. Year ago at the dealerships we used laquer thinner to fluch out gummed up GM engines.

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posted 12-27-2002 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Gunk motor flush only one time on any engine that is suspect in its maintenance history. After that, if the oil is changed like it should, you dont need it. When I got my mustang, I drained the old oil, put in 5 quarts of wal-mart oil and one quart of gunk. Spun the oil pump with a speed wrench until oil flowed though the rockers then fired up the engine for about 5 minutes and then drained the oil and refilled with good oil.

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-27-2002 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why they call it 5 minute flush.

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n2oMike
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posted 12-27-2002 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people pour it into their crankcase along with their old oil and run it for the five minutes to flush out any deposits.

I just make sure my oil is nice and hot before draining it.

As for gunked up engines... you stand more of a chance of breaking off a piece of crud and lodging it in an important place.... as you do of doing something positive for the engine. In other words, unless something is clicking or noticably lacking of oil, the safest bet is to leave it alone.

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mustangs68
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posted 12-27-2002 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Mechanical Operations Manager swears by Kano Kreen..this stuff and it's sister products will clean anything.I saw him clean an old 302 with 200,000+ miles on it..the heads were gunked up to the rockers and when finished you could eat off them..no joke!

http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/kano/kanoec.htm
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posted 12-27-2002 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
The Mechanical Operations Manager swears by Kano Kreen..this stuff and it's sister products will clean anything.I saw him clean an old 302 with 200,000+ miles on it..the heads were gunked up to the rockers and when finished you could eat off them..no joke!


was the 302 above assembled and running or was it used to soak sub-assemblies?

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posted 12-27-2002 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you've ever taken off old engine bearings and seen what kind of damage a single speck of dirt can do, I can't see why you would want to knock them loose and run them through your oiling system.

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posted 12-27-2002 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We ran soem of that flushing crap through our old '88 Bronco II, and the stuff dislodged soem grit and crap and all that stuff ended up getting caught up in the oil pickup, clogging the screen. If you're engine is really gritty and crudded up, I'd advise against it. But best thing you can do is change your oil every 3,000 mi or 3 months to keep everythign clean and fresh. After all, oil is the lifeblood of your engine, and the cheapest thing you can do to prolong it's life.

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posted 12-27-2002 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The stuffs in tended use is to unplug oil passages. Years ago,before high detergent oils, especially on engines with rocker arm shafts, the oil feed holes easily became plugged with sludge. The 5 minute flush helped disslodge the gunk so oil could flow back up to the top of the heads.
Also, V-8 Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles, and Buicks were notorious for geting crap in lifters and sticking.
Of course the best action is to change oil often. But when the damage is already done, the 5 minute motor flush works wonders.

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posted 12-30-2002 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since no one mentioned this, I thought I would....
My dad used to used 2.5 quarts of fresh motor oil and 2.5 quarts of kerosene to flush out old engines that had the parafin based oil buildup.
Ran at idle for 5 minutes, and drained.
Never seemed to hurt anything, and worked wonders for a 401 nailhead buick one time.

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mustangs68
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posted 12-30-2002 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That old truck was running and never taken apart..but he did use 2 cases of oil and a bunch of filters..it's still running today and this was at least 10 years ago.

If I remember he brought the motor to operating temp then removed the oil/filter then added a 50/50 mixture and ran the motor for about 5 mins the let it set for an hour-repeat several times,I was relly surprised how well it work..I wouldn't do this to a "good" engine but this old truck had the heck beat out of it and he didn't want to put a pile of money in it just for a junk hauler.

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Hell_Fish
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posted 12-30-2002 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a buddy of mine use some of this type of stuff in his import because the guy at the oil change place told him he needed it. Well, it cost him an engine a few chunks clogged up a few oil passeges and it burned up. Be careful and watch your gauges like mad after you use it.

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posted 12-30-2002 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The stuff worked great on just those types of older engines. Buick 401 and 425, Pontiac V-8's, Olds V-8's, Caddy V-8's, and any shaft rocker FoMoCo.

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posted 12-30-2002 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AH Guy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have used the Amsoil engine flush. Afterwards, when I wiped off the drain plug, it was so clean it looked like it had been chromed. I've done this in some very high mileage Ford and Chrysler engines and have never had a problem. If you do this, make sure you follow their instructions and use a really good filter, not a cheap Fram or something.

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posted 12-31-2002 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toronado3800     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I first got my Oldsmobile I wasn't happy with how unclean new oil looked in it right after I changed it so I changed my oil again after only 700 miles or so. Then I did it again after only about a thousand miles. Things started to look pretty good and the new oil stayed looking good for some time, then I changed it.

And I avoid Synthec because I never want to have to put off an oil change until I have the money.

Really, I'm not a fan of tranny flushes or motor flushes. I figure all them "dirt eater" chemicals also eat gaskets and sealers.

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