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kewljay223
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posted 12-19-2002 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewljay223   Click Here to Email kewljay223     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the cleveland started in 70 right...? when did the block change and which ones are better??

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rm302 boss
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posted 12-19-2002 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss   Click Here to Email rm302 boss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
70-72 some have a 4 bolt main which are real tough to find. after that i dont know much...
The 4v,cj and boss blocks are real close. I have one of each and i cant find any diffrence. They all have 4v heads until in 72 they went to an open chamber head. 4v and cj have a 90% nodualar crank and the 71 boss had a steel. the boss had 1041 h beam forged rods ( that had the works done on them shop peened flux,180,000 psi rod bolts.. the 4v-cj had the same rod but no good stuff done. None of this stuff was done the the 2v block and heads and crank....
Rene

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-19-2002 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Clevelands ran from '70 to '74, after that they became 351Ms, which was a destroked 400.


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kid vishus
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posted 12-19-2002 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought the only Ford small block that had a steel crank from the factory was the Boss 302?

As for blocks, none are any better than others (as for US blocks are concerned). They all have thin cylinder walls, that's the weak area in all of them, plus they all have the poor oiling system. The four bolt main doesnt add enough (if any) strength to the bottom end to warrant the cost of buying one. A typical 2 bolt main block form a 2v motor is just as strong as any of the other blocks. All of the stock rods with the normal prep work done to them (polished, good bolts, etc) are plenty strong and good to around 8000 rpm (I know this from personel experiance).

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-19-2002 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right, the Boss 351 didn't have a steel crank.

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kewljay223
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posted 12-19-2002 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewljay223   Click Here to Email kewljay223     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
another block question..... i know that a boss 302 is a 302 with cleveland heads. but i have a friend who said the block was different and that they could be found in a mexican truck in mexico (or something like that). and the cleveland heads, are they 2 or 4v???

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Hemikiller
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posted 12-19-2002 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Boss 302 was the only Ford SB with a steel crank.

The Boss 302 block was 4-bolt mains on 2,3& 4. The "mexican" block is a heavier casting very similar to the 289 HiPo block which had wider main bearing caps. If you put a standard 302 and a Mexican block side by side, the difference is quite obvious. Also, the Mex had two cast in protrusions on the front of the block with no apparent purpose. I have a mexican 302 engine that came out of a 73 Mach 1, so they were installed in cars here in the US. The Boss 302 heads were a close chamber 4-v Cleveland style head with screw in studs and guideplates and a modified water passage for the 302 cooling system with a wet intake. 69's had a 2.21" intake valve, 70's had a 2.19" for "improved" low end response.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-19-2002 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also the Boss 302 blocks have screw in freeze plugs, a good way to ID them aside from the casting numbers.

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rm302 boss
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posted 12-19-2002 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss   Click Here to Email rm302 boss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Right, the Boss 351 didn't have a steel crank.



Your right i was reading the wrong line. The Boss 351 has a cast iron crank with 90% nodularity... The OFF HIWAY PARTS app book is a little hard to read some times. Sorry for the mis information. Thats sad I have one ove these in my boss car and dont even know some of the specks any more... Mine has a steel crank in it though....
No i do not have the origonal 302 boss motor in my car. Its nice and safe on the engine stand.
rene

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