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MidLifCrisis
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From: Frederick County, MD
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 12-18-2002 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis        Reply w/Quote
I swapped to '70 Cougar front discs in my '67 Mustang convert. I tried using a '76 Maverick non-power master cylinder. I had to shortened the push rod approx 1", because it was too long and kept the brake light on.
The car stops, but the pedal is soft. It goes down what seems like 2-3" before it gives positive stopping action. Probably just 1/2" from the floor. I have seen suggestions on using other master cylinders like from a Ranger. Can anyone out there give me specifics? Year, part #, etc. I don't want to swap brake pedal assemblies. I will go power-assisted if I must. Anyone out there have first hand knowledge on what to use to get back a firm pedal? Please enlighten me. Thanks, Charlie

rm302 boss
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From: Austin Texas
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posted 12-18-2002 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
I have run in to the same thing before.
I tried three diffrent masters and ended up using a 1 1/16 bore Wilwood master from Summit.
Also do one thing before any thing else and change both front rubber lines... i had a car that the lines would swell up every time you worked the brakes. I used a set of stainless from Earls. they were cheaperr and better than the origonal ones. I hope my suffering helps you out.
Rene

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MidLifCrisis
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From: Frederick County, MD
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 12-19-2002 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis        Reply w/Quote
rm302Boss, Thanks for the reply.I have Russell braided front lines, so the hoses aren't an issue. Whose front disc's did you use? Is the Wildwood m.c. power or manual? Charlie

brockjoe
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From: Sioux City, Iowa
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posted 12-20-2002 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for brockjoe        Reply w/Quote
make sure the bleeder screws are at the very top, sounds like air to me

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rm302 boss
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Posts: 680
From: Austin Texas
Registered: Dec 2002

posted 12-20-2002 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MidLifCrisis:
rm302Boss, Thanks for the reply.I have Russell braided front lines, so the hoses aren't an issue. Whose front disc's did you use? Is the Wildwood m.c. power or manual? Charlie


I usd the Wilwood set up up front.The master is a manual 1 1/16 bore master cylinder. Here is some real good information on brakes from Dean Ohsiro.. He build's Hot rod Chasis. This is where i found out i had a to small master cyl bore for the same brake system you have now. It gave me gray hair for some time. I had the same problem... every one told me i had air in the system i bleed it over and over. still had the same soft pedal.
Rene


http://www.hotrodheaven.com/tech/brakes/brakes2_index.htm

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Mpcoluv
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Posts: 1421
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 12-20-2002 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv        Reply w/Quote
quote:

I usd the Wilwood set up up front.The master is a manual 1 1/16 bore master cylinder. Here is some real good information on brakes from Dean Ohsiro.. He build's Hot rod Chasis. This is where i found out i had a to small master cyl bore for the same brake system you have now. It gave me gray hair for some time. I had the same problem... every one told me i had air in the system i bleed it over and over. still had the same soft pedal.
Rene


http://www.hotrodheaven.com/tech/brakes/brakes2_index.htm

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Dean's math is wrong for the tandem master cylinders. This is a big deal.
See the Fred Puhn book for the correct data.
The Tandem master Cylinders (with the link bar set in the middle) do not produce any more pressure than the 1 1/16" wilwood master.

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rm302 boss
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From: Austin Texas
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posted 12-20-2002 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
What book would that be? you have my interest...
I have the one from HP books. which i have to say opend my eyes quite a bit. I good friend of mine used it and Ford parts book and installed ABS in a Pinto wagon.... Yes i did say a Pinto wagon. It has a SVO 4 cyl 2300 series motor that on a rear tire dyno put down 217 hp and get this 286 lb of torque!!! had i not been standing there (with my mouth wide open) i would never believe it. Tis guy is a master of putting together odd cars. this was his Auto X car.
Sorry to get off subject like that. I got my Wilwoods from Dean for 4 and a quarter. Not to bad...
Rene

Mpcoluv
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Posts: 1421
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 12-23-2002 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rm302 boss:
What book would that be? you have my interest...
I have the one from HP books. which i have to say opend my eyes quite a bit. I good friend of mine used it and Ford parts book and installed ABS in a Pinto wagon.... Yes i did say a Pinto wagon. It has a SVO 4 cyl 2300 series motor that on a rear tire dyno put down 217 hp and get this 286 lb of torque!!! had i not been standing there (with my mouth wide open) i would never believe it. Tis guy is a master of putting together odd cars. this was his Auto X car.
Sorry to get off subject like that. I got my Wilwoods from Dean for 4 and a quarter. Not to bad...
Rene

The Book is "The Brake Handbook" by Fred Puhn.
Pretty good book.
Has all of the formulas to design a braking system from scratch.

rm302 boss
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Posts: 680
From: Austin Texas
Registered: Dec 2002

posted 12-23-2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
hey, thanks (Sorry to hi jack your post)
I'll be going now...
Rene

SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
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posted 12-23-2002 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rm302 boss:
I good friend of mine used it and Ford parts book and installed ABS in a Pinto wagon....

That's an odd mod.

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