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louie
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posted 11-30-2002 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi. im a huge '64-'70s mustang fan.

i dont have a classic mustang...yet (i have a '98 gt w/ some mods) but i was wondering what i need to do to a '65 mustang to get over 350hp at the wheels?

basically what cam, valvetrain, would forged internals be a good idea, ect.

thanks.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-30-2002 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to M&M louie!

The easiest, cheapest way to 350 rwhp is probably the bottled variety... which is fine, it's just not my thing

For all-motor, the most reliable way to that power figure would be a 351W-based stroker, either 393 or 408ci. Kits are available from affordable to rediculous, depending on the goodies, but 350 hp at the tires isn't twisting hard at all; well prepped rods and a cast crank would hold up just fine to 6000k rpm.

Cubic inches need to BREATHE, don't skimp on the heads/intake/exhaust. AFR makes killer out-of-the-box performance, as does Edelbrock, Canfield, and Trick Flow. I'm running an Edelbrock RPM Airgap dual plane manifold on my little stroker, and it kicks tail all the way up to 7k rpm Roller cams are , but OMG $$$! A mechanical flat tappet grind is a great alternative IMO. Lots of other variables, got a budget in mind?

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louie
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posted 11-30-2002 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what kind of #s could i get with these listed?
undecided on cam (hydralic), with the intake valve posted on the heads it said i need an aftermarket piston, i guess whatever cam i decide on ill get the valvetrain the same manufact. also undecided on manifold and headers.

Camshaft
Comp 'Magnum'
-270H, 224/224, .501"/.501"
Crane 'PowerMax'
-2200-5200, 222/234, .498"/.527"
Edelbrock 'Performer RPM'
-1500-6500, 230/240, .500"/.550"

Cylinder Heads
Edelbrock 'Performer RPM'
-2.02" Intake Valve

Valvetrain
Comp
Crane
Edelbrock

Intake Manifold
Edelbrock 'Performer RPM Air-Gap'
Edelbrock 'Torker II'

Carburetor
Holley 4-BBL.

Exhaust
Hooker 'Competition' Headers
Hedman Hedders

Flowmaster 'American Thunder' Catback

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-30-2002 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those Edelbrock heads are good pieces And yes, with 2.02 intake valves you'll need your pistons flycut. More motor needs more cam... are you looking at a 302 (331-347), a 351 (393-408), or are you looking to build a stock stroke motor? The grinds you listed are good, for the smaller of the motors. If you go pushing 400+ ci then you'll need more 'stick to feed it

As previously mentioned, the AirGap manifold is a good piece. Unless you go to a Victor, I wouldn't 'compromise' with a Torker.

Spend the extra $$$ for the SuperComps. For headers, you really do get what you pay for.

Any of those cams with those heads shouldn't have any problem matching cubic inches to horsepower. Parasitic loss averages about 10% for stickshift cars, 20% for automatics. Let the calculator be your guide

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posted 11-30-2002 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
all those parts are for the 289/302 sb.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-30-2002 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
350 n/a rwhp is quite a bit for either one of those two displacements, its not going to happen with your parts list. You'd need a far more aggressive camshaft, gigantor heads, manifold, carb, and exhaust, a stall converter in the 4500+ rpm range... and now, we're into 'racing forum' territory. If 350 is your target number to the tires and you want some street manners, you need more displacement

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1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9"

All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
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louie
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posted 11-30-2002 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so i should just go ahead and look for a 351w?

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-30-2002 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That'd be the easiest/most reliable way for sure. Trying to get that kind of naturally aspirated power out of 302 cubic inches is pretty high strung

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-30-2002 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to M&M Louis !
We have an on going thread on how to get 300 HP from a 289 or 302 for roughly $1500 in our archives. It's probably closer to $2000 now as some of the prices of parts have gone up dramaticly.

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louie
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posted 12-01-2002 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the info guys.
i would of had a classic mustang earlier but some deals fell through.
one was a light yellow '69 mach I with a 428 cj. the car was a beauty but the deal fell.
another was a red '69 mach I with a 428 cj. another beauty. they were at the same dealership. i was gonna trade my gt in for either one but the dealer wanted my car plus another $3k (a $3k i didnt have at the time).

another was a '68 hardtop coupe. had a 351c, was primered, had some good parts and was in good shape. the company i was working for downsized and they laid off a bunch of people (me included). talk about bad luck, huh.

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MidLifCrisis
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posted 12-01-2002 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Louie, do not despair. You will find the right car at the right time. Check out the classifieds here and Traderonline.com. The '67 fastback and '69 Mach I that are currently listed here would both be mine if I hadn't already found my convertible. Depending on how much more they need, they both seem like good buys. Also, if funds are tight stick with the late model. The older cars are always needing something. Good luck to you. Charlie

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louie
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posted 12-01-2002 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i know. just kinda anxious, thats all.
the only reason i bought my late model mustang was because i couldnt find a '60s model anywhere locally.

i just ordered an off-road h-pipe this morning from summit. cant wait till that gets here.

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louie
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posted 12-01-2002 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also, theres a small dealership that is selling a silver '67 mustang hardtop for $3,800. i havent gone and looked at it yet tho.

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