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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-28-2002 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since NPD has the rear spoiler for '69-'70 Mustangs on indefinate backorder, I picked up a repro on ebay. It's a nice unit.

I wasn't going to put spoilers on my Mach at first since it didn't originally come with them, but my wife and my brother both convinced me that I had to get spoilers if I was fixing up a Mach and I always wanted a Mach with the spoilers, so what the hell?

Now I just need to pick up the front spoiler and the louvers, and my Mach will have the full war paint.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-28-2002 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
my Mach will have the full war paint.



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RonnieT
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posted 11-28-2002 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RonnieT   Click Here to Email RonnieT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,

The first pictures we saw of our MACH1 the car did not have spoilers, louvers, or the MACH1 stripes. My wife did not like it without the trimmings, so before we went to pick it up we had KAR install the stripes, both spoilers, and the louvers. When she saw it afterwards there was no way we were not getting the car.

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Ronnie
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jsracingbbf
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posted 11-28-2002 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering the rear spoiler/wing, do they really provide any measure of downforce? I want something on the back of my drag car, but I think those Aluminum fabricated ones look awful and take away from the looks of a car. They're fine for craparos but not on a Mustang. Steve, I always thought the spoiler was the little rise at the back of the car and the wing was the bolt on piece.

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called witchcraft.....Today, it's called golf."

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-28-2002 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True, the correct name is 'wing' for what I bought and all literature calls the upturned feature on the deck lid and quarter extensions as the 'spoiler.' Didn't mean to confuse you.

I'm with you, I can't stand the looks of the fabricated spoilers they use on race cars and ricers.

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66bluefb
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posted 11-28-2002 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb   Click Here to Email 66bluefb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool Steve, The 70 Mach 1`s are my favorite car. The look real good with all the trimmings on them. Tony

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BlueMule
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posted 11-28-2002 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Call it what you want, the 69/70 Mach1 needs it. Louvers you can take or leave IMHO.

Remember that crap on the back of the chebby powered Chaparal in the 60s? (the only answer they could come up with to the GT40) That's a wing. Air dams were in the front for stability. Wings were for down-force in the rear. Spoilers were for busting up the vacuum behind the the ultra aero GTs of the era like Ferraris, Porsches and the most awesome GT40s and Cobra Daytonas.

Cobra Daytona? please don't get me drooling...

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1trickpony
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posted 11-28-2002 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1trickpony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, good choice to go with the spoilers and louvers. Personally, I think 69-70 sportsroof models look naked without them. of course adding that shaker on there is the cherry on top!

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cobravenom71
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posted 11-29-2002 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically, any aero add-ons are generically called spoilers because they 'spoil' the air in that area. A front spoiler is used to bring the nose down,which restricts the flow of air underneath the rough unaerodynamic chassis of the car.A front air dam is just a more efficient front spoiler that directs a portion of the air around the sides of the car.All this air-blockage helps to produce a low-pressure zone underneath the car that will in turn let the high pressure air above it push it down closer to the road. Less pressure underneath=less aerodynamic drag=more speed for equal power. At speed, The extreme rear of the car has a drastic drop-off in high pressure down-force near the trailing edge of the trunk, which causes the rear of the car to lift, or become light. A rear spoiler( either a wing or fixed lip)serves to 'spoil' the air-flow at the trailing edge leading to a compressed 'bunching-up' of high-pressure air molecules that push down on the rear of the vehicle.
In fact, the concept of the original GT-40's aero design was based on the research of Dr. Wunibald Kamm, a leading aerodynamicist. Dr. Kamm's studies showed that a vehicle with a relatively short trunk area(From roof to trailing edge),that was also 'tall' and had a slightly concave rear-facing panel was the most efficient design for producing rear-end downforce coupled with a 'pusher' effect. The turbulent, high pressure air at the rear of the car created by the shape of the vehicle actually 'pushed' the vehicle considerably, increasing efficiency. The 71 sportsroof was designed to exactly mimic this look. This design was popularly known as a 'Kamm-back', and if you look at almost all cars on the road today, they all have thier basis in that design. The front and rear spoilers on classic mustangs have been shown to produce very noticeable effects at as little as 60 MPH. But thats not because the spoilers are so effective. Actually, the basic aero-design of the cars were so ineffective that any help was noticed. Of course, the cars were not designed in a wind tunnel, as only Chrysler had an in-house wind tunnel in those days. Until Ford and GM built thier own wind tunnels, they rented wind tunnel time from outside sources-very expensive! Legend has it that Ford and GM actually used Chryslers wind tunnel a few times! Whew!

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MidLifCrisis
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posted 12-01-2002 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cobravenom71
I believe that the GT-40 was the first race car Ford designed using a wind tunnel or computer. Before that they used trial and error, gut instinct, and if you have seen vintage COBRA photos, yarn taped to the sides of the car. The short lengths of yarn would lay flat or whip around to show the air flow over he car.
Of course Peter Brock used learned aerodynamic principals in the design of the Cobra Daytona Coupe which included the Kamm back. His original designs also included a hoop winged spoiler that followed the curved contours of the rear. The lip spoiler was actually used in place of this. I believe it was fabricated and riveted in place during competition at the request of a driver because of poor rear end handling. twas then included in production of the rest of the coupes.
Also, the University of Maryland has been known to rent their wind tunnel facility to NASCAR teams, including Richard Petty at one time.
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cobravenom71
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posted 12-01-2002 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Charlie, I agree with you on all counts. Chrysler was a leader in the aero-race in the late sixties. The famous Birds and Bees(Superbirds and Charger Daytonas) were direct results of good aero at any cost. The famous 'scat-pack' snorkel hood scoops were also a direct result of trying to get the opening of the scoop above the 'laminar', stagnant air, and up into the dense, turbulent air flow.
The NACA-style scoops on the 71-73 Machs are also aerodynamically superior to just about all other configurations. It actually IS ram-air, not just called it.

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radrider
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posted 12-03-2002 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for radrider   Click Here to Email radrider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good call on putting on all the spoilers and the louvers for the car. When I got my car it was minus the louvers and that was a must have for my car. Watch out after you put the louvers on the car will shrink. After putting mine on we stepped back and it really looked like the car had shrunk. Makes for a nicer look.

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