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Topic: Does this look like a streetable cam?
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-27-2002 12:32 PM
   
Looking for a streetable cam for a 408W with Victor Jr heads. I don't want to run more than 3000 stall.Grind No./Type: 566-A SOLID 1/4-3/8 mile oval tracks with little or no bank. 2BBL. carburetor. RPM-Range: 2600-6800 Valve Lift - INT: .566 EXT: .560 Valve Lash Hot - INT: .018 EXT: .020 ADV Duration - INT: 282��EXT: 288��.050 Duration - INT: 248��EXT: 254��Lobe Center: 106��
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 975
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-27-2002 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by 68DARKHORSE:
Looking for a streetable cam for a 408W with Victor Jr heads. I don't want to run more than 3000 stall.Grind No./Type: 566-A SOLID 1/4-3/8 mile oval tracks with little or no bank. 2BBL. carburetor. RPM-Range: 2600-6800 Valve Lift - INT: .566 EXT: .560 Valve Lash Hot - INT: .018 EXT: .020 ADV Duration - INT: 282��EXT: 288��.050 Duration - INT: 248��EXT: 254��Lobe Center: 106��
Depends on your idea of streetable.
The 106 lobe center is mighty narrow for a "street car".
You will most likely have very low vacuum at idle......
[This message has been edited by Mpcoluv (edited 11-27-2002).]
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 11-27-2002 02:03 PM
Pretty stiff for a 3k stall even with 408 cubes.  ------------------
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-27-2002 03:07 PM
How about this one? Any other recommendations?Grind No./Type: FL-358 SOLID High performance Use. Rough idle. Great mid��range power. 2500 Stall. 3:70��4:11 axle ratio. Up to 650 CFM Carb. RPM-Range: 2500-6500 Valve Lift - INT: .512 EXT: .512 Valve Lash Hot - INT: .018 EXT: .018 ADV Duration - INT: 278��EXT: 278��.050 Duration - INT: 240��EXT: 240��Lobe Center: 108��/FONT>
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19751
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 11-27-2002 03:16 PM
Duration is closer, but not enough lift. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 1590
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-27-2002 05:53 PM
A buddy of mine has a 100% original 1971 Chevelle. It has the bench seat, steel hood, power steering, steel rally wheels, etc. Heavy car.Recently he got the urge to build a 400sbc for it, and got me to spec a combination out for it. It uses the stock crank, stock 5.7" rods, 0.030" block, Wiseco domed pistons (around 11.5 cr) out of the box AirFlow Research 210 heads, solid Lunati #40136 cam (249/259 @ 0.050", 106 LSA) reused Weiand Team G intake, 850 double pumper, 1-3/4" Hooker Super Comps, off the shelf TCI 10" Super Street Fighter converter that footbrakes around 3200 rpm, 350 turbo trans, and a 4.10 12 bolt hooked to a set of old 28x9 slicks. The car 60ft's to the tune of a 1.58, and runs the 1/8 mile in 7.27 seconds. He shifts it at 6400 rpm. It makes excellent power throughout it's rev range, and does not fall off the powerband on the shifts. The converter is just barely loose enough, but works out fine in that heavy car. Is it a good 'street' engine? It's reliable and all, but it's mandatory 3" exhaust has no problem setting off car alarms, and it's not exactly fuel efficient. It runs on pump gas (spiked with a little aviation 100LL or race gas) but he doesn't drive it that much. It's a torque monster from 3200 rpm up. He said THIS is the engine he wanted, but I believe he'd drive the car more if it was a bit milder. It's an awesome weekend toy for relieving a little stress, but you wouldn't want it for your everyday ride. His is 406ci, yours is very similar at 408. If you spec your engine out similar to his, it should run about the same if you take care of the details. The cam is 'small' by race standards, but fairly large on the street scale. The 106 lsa gives it an extremely radical idle. You just have to ask yourself what YOUR definition of 'streetable' is. Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-27-2002 11:27 PM
This car is not a daily driver and I like a little bu-bump in the idle. As long as it doesn't stall or shake my nuts of at every light, it's streetable. It will be driven on the highway with an AOD, which is the reason for the 3000 stall limit. It has 3.89:1 now but this could change when the AOD goes in.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6602
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-27-2002 11:51 PM
It looks very streetable to me. This is mt daughter's 408w '66 'stang that runs high 10's and is "streetable". It's pretty low budget but it runs strong.  https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Melissa.html SteveW
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 1590
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-27-2002 11:54 PM
With the AOD and the 3000 rpm stall converter, I'm guessin you'll want a lower, pump gas compression ratio, and a cam around 10 degrees smaller than that ch*vy cam listed above. I'd also up the lobe seperaton to around 108-110.Trust me, on the street, and possibly at the strip (3k converter), you'll like it better. With a solid cam, I'd go with around 238-242 @ 0.050" on the intake, and a little more on the exhaust with the above lobe seperation. Shoot for a lift around 0.550" to 0.570" and check the rocker geometry. Shift the thing at 6k or so, and the engine will 'live long and prosper'. This sounds about what Alex was steering you towards. Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220 [This message has been edited by n2oMike (edited 11-28-2002).]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19751
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-28-2002 12:17 AM
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-29-2002 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by n2oMike:
Shift the thing at 6k or so, and the engine will 'live long and prosper'.
Good Luck!
That's what I've been telling everyone. I want to build an engine that can handle 7k but shift it at 6k. I don't want to pull this engine every other year.
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-29-2002 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by steve'66:
It looks very streetable to me. This is mt daughter's 408w '66 'stang that runs high 10's and is "streetable". It's pretty low budget but it runs strong. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Melissa.html SteveW
That car is awesome.
Is that the Eagle kit from wynnespeed?
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6602
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-29-2002 09:35 PM
No, it wasn't a kit. It's from a local engine builder, Arron Johnson here in Sonoma.Thanks for the compliment. SteveW
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 12-04-2002 01:17 PM
Am I getting close?Crower 15359 solid lifter cam. Range 2500 to 6500. .538"/.557" lift
242*/250* dur @.050
112* lobe center
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19751
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-04-2002 01:32 PM
You can't go wrong with a Comp 282S for a hot street car with an automatic and your planned converter. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 12-04-2002 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
You can't go wrong with a Comp 282S for a hot street car with an automatic and your planned converter.
Do you know the specs off hand?
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 1590
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 12-04-2002 03:25 PM
236/236 @ 0.050" 110 degree lobe seperation, I believe the lift is 0.528" before lash.It will be a lot better than your current camshaft. Out of curiosity, what carb, intake, headers and exhaust system are on the car? ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 12-04-2002 05:06 PM
All I have right now is a prepped 351W, Edelbrock Victor Jr heads, Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake, Hooker headers, Holley 750(might replace), Accel 300+ ignition, Mac 3" exhaust, and 3.89:1 locker. I have an AOD that will have to be beefed up also.
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 1590
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 12-05-2002 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by 68DARKHORSE:
All I have right now is a prepped 351W, Edelbrock Victor Jr heads, Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake, Hooker headers, Holley 750(might replace), Accel 300+ ignition, Mac 3" exhaust, and 3.89:1 locker. I have an AOD that will have to be beefed up also.
Wow, sounds good... but didn't you mention it was a 408 at the top of this post? The Comp 282S (solid lifter) cam will be an extremely torquey unit in that big engine. If you went much bigger, a converter change might be in order... but then the overdrive would be pretty much useless. Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 378
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 12-05-2002 11:12 AM
Sorry I should have said prepped 351W block.
I have not ordered the 408 stroker kit yet.
Too many vendors and too many options.
I'm ready to order now, but can't decide.
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