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dubstar
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From: Long Beach, Ca 1966 A-Code Coupe
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posted 11-18-2002 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar   Click Here to Email dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my 66 daily driver (v8, 289, 4bbl) sounds like a paint can when the pedal is about half way, and gets even worse all the way down... is this the valves?? how can i fix them myself? help me please! thanks

ps: i havent been here in a long time, thanks to that one thing that causes every problem in the world.. i think they call it women. yeahh, thats it.. women..

thanks.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-18-2002 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Dub

Women are EVIL

You need to get yourself a GRRL

Paint can? Kinda like marbles? Your engine is pinging under load. You need to check your timing and verify no more than 36* overall ignition time. Done a dwell check lately? Check your points gap and adjust as necessary.

What octane fuel do you run?

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Dave Gibson
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posted 11-18-2002 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
What octane fuel do you run?

Yup. That was going to be my first question followed by the time, pionts, and dwell. All good places to start. You should be running 93 octane in your Mustang. If you aren't, I suggest that you do. Your Mustang will run much better.

Dave & Terri

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johnmustang
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posted 11-19-2002 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Had the same problem in my 65 - 289 , went to 94 octane , problem solved with no other changes


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soaring
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posted 11-19-2002 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soaring   Click Here to Email soaring     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After you do a complete tune- up , and you should right now before any major damage is done, use the highest octane gas you can buy. Also, get some additional lead in your gas tank. Most auto parts stores have lead you can add. Wal-Mart used to carry a brand called "Instead-o-lead" which is the same type of additive I use. I get no more ping at load when I use the stuff with high octane gas.

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-19-2002 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also install some octane booster in your body as that will help dull the noise. Vodka works well.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-19-2002 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Turn the radio up.

This is under load, right? Not when it's idling, is it?

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Lennie_21
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posted 11-19-2002 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lennie_21   Click Here to Email Lennie_21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also install some octane booster in your body as that will help dull the noise. Vodka works well.
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Vodka works well but if your system doesn't like that.....try Kaluha with a shot of coffee.....

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dubstar
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posted 11-19-2002 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar   Click Here to Email dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i run 91 octain, and its only under load that i hear the pinging. Im going to go out and get a Lead Additive right now..

also, what is a dwell?? its been a while... thanks, for all your replies

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-19-2002 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dwell angle is the degree of which the points are in contact, thus conducting voltage. It has to do with your points gap in the distributor. Dwell meters aren't real common anymore, but you can check your points gap with a feeler gauge. I have cleaned the contact points with a fine fingernail file if they aren't burned too bad, but I agree with everyone else. Sounds like not enough octane for your timing curve and/or compression ratio.

Does it ping while cold, or only while hot? It has been real warm here in SoCal lately , is your motor running at normal or above normal temps? Excessively hot temps can bring on pre-ignition, which means that during the compression stroke the air/fuel charge is being ignited prematurely by a hot spot in the combustion chamber, begining the combustion event before the spark plug fires. When the plug does fire, you have two flame fronts colliding within the chamber, causing the ping or paint can sound. That's a very violent event within an internal combustion engine, generating very high temperatures and impact-like forces against pistons, valves, rings, and cylinder walls. Not to freak you out, just something you should take care of sooner than later

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71RESTO
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posted 11-19-2002 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 71RESTO   Click Here to Email 71RESTO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Dub, long time no post!!!! Good to have you back.
Skip the lead additive and just go for the octane booster, that's all you need.

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dubstar
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posted 11-20-2002 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar   Click Here to Email dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i turned down the timing, i havent driven it yet, im about to goto work and tell them im sick and cant work. I'll repost with the results.

thanks all of you, and great to see you all again.

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rockafellz
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posted 11-20-2002 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dubstar:
im about to goto work and tell them im sick and cant work.

YES!! YEEEEEEEEEESSS!! For some odd reason, that makes me happy!!

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dubstar
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posted 11-20-2002 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar   Click Here to Email dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow wow wow! all i did was turn it down and it runs so much better now. More power, doesnt sound crappy (except for the squeeky repop fender that doesnt have a valance to attach to yet)

thanks again!

ps: work is taken care of, and im going to give my sweet mustang a bath and some heavy duty oxidation remover (she needs it).

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