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cobravenom71
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posted 11-13-2002 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had heard that repop rev-limiters were available, but I can't find them anywhere. Anyone got a line?

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FASTFORD
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posted 11-13-2002 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FASTFORD   Click Here to Email FASTFORD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
check the ford facing forum...I had a similar question

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-07-2003 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kit, did you find anything about this yet?

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cobravenom71
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posted 04-07-2003 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing, Nada, Zilch. Years ago I heard that someone was repoping them (non-functional), using a voltage regulator as the case. This never made sense to me since the V.R. case looks nothing like a rev-limiter case. I had also heard that there were repops that were visual clones, yet non functional, which is OK for me.
If anyone has a clue, please let me know. Thanks!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-07-2003 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The electronic voltage regulators look a bit like rev limiters and they do reproduce the decals, but I'd never bolt on a fake rev limiter. That's seems like a ricer maneuver to me.

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cobravenom71
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posted 04-08-2003 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I can see your point about a 'fake' rev-lomiter being a 'ricer' move, but if I had a real one, I would mount it and hook it up.
However, since the real ones are astronomical in price, I would never spend that kind of $ on one. A fake one that looks authentic is okay for me, since I don't regularly drive my car at the limits that a rev-limiter would operate at anyway.
The 'ricer' mentality to me is that they want the look and sound, but not the reality (expense and trouble)of performance.
A rev-limiter to me is kinda like 'anti-performance', and my car will run just as good with or without it, since I don't get to those limits often.

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cobravenom71
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posted 04-08-2003 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, you say that voltage regulator cases are similar in appearance to rev-limiters?
I have never seen a VR case that even looked a tiny bit similar to a rev-limiter.
Are there after market brands avialible that look like Rev-limiters? The rev-limiters on 71-73's are oblong with a double stepped surface, and are much 'flatter', or more compact than any VR I've ever seen.
Anybody out there seen another kind?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-08-2003 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Borg-Warner voltage regulator I had on my Sprint {It's tucked away in a box right now} is an electronic one with a spun aluminum case on it that isn't more than 1 inch tall.

It looks similar to the one in this pic, which you can see next to a rev limiter on the left shock tower:

The purpose of a rev limiter is to stop you from bouncing your valves off your piston tops of you missed a shift, so I wouldn't consider them anti-performance any more than I would an engine oil cooler or forged pistons. They are there to prevent damage during performance use. Only the hottest cars got rev limiters.

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cobravenom71
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posted 04-08-2003 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I guess I didn't really explain what was in my brain. Since the rpm's that these things started to cut out spark was a little lower than what most would seriously race thier engines at, most just discarded them so they could run thier enginesw a little higher. More performance?.. maybe.More risk?...definately. Was the rev limiter really for protecting engines or for protecting warranties?
At any rate, if I'm looking at those pix correctly, the VR regulator really doesn't look anything like the rev-limiter. At least not enough convince anybody who knows whatone looks like. And if they don't know what one looks like, what would be the point of having a repop?
I try to keep my engine looking as close to stock as possible, even though there are many, many things that are not stock. I have an electric fan that is next to impossible to see, cruise control that is very difficult to see in the engine compartment or the cabin. The 'puke' bottle for the radiator is so well hidden that most can't see it even when I show it to them. The wiring for the Ford EEC-IV ignition is not visible, and the 'spark box' is hidden INSIDE the windshield washer bottle. The unit is sealed and the inside of the washer bottle is painted blue about 3/4's the way up the inside so it appears to have solvent in it. I can still put fluid in it, and it won't stain the inside of the container. There are several 'dummy' vacuum lines and such that look stock, but are really not hooked to anything functional. In fact, the oil coler has had a seam leak in it for years, so it was disconnected. It is still mounted so it looks good. I intend to fix it and re-hook it up, but I haven't got around to it yet.
To the 'purists' out there, this may seem wrong, but this car was my daily driver for over 25 years and has well over 300,000 miles on it. Some things just get changed over the years. Since this car is much faster, smoother and gets better gas mileage than when stock, I can definatley live with the hidden 'modifications'.
That's why I think the repop rev-limiter would fit in. I don't care if it works because I wouldn't hook it up anyway.

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posted 04-08-2003 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe if you watch ebay you can get a deal on a dead one. I'll keep an eye out for you.

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posted 04-08-2003 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks man! I aprreciate it.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-08-2003 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pleasure. I'm sure my wife will be happy if I find parts for other people to buy for a change...

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posted 04-21-2003 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Steve, I think I'm about 1/2 way to getting the info. Someone told me that the rev-limiters used the same cases as some of the higher-voltage voltage regulators used on some of the bigger Fords( Galaxies and Trucks). Do you know if these type of VR's are still availible? Where can I get one?

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posted 04-23-2003 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know that.

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posted 01-20-2004 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guy has been selling repops on ebay. They seem to go for $75-100.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454619542&category=50450&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1

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posted 01-20-2004 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PONYMAN   Click Here to Email PONYMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might want to beware of this guy. Has a lot of negative and neutral comments.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-20-2004 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point. You definitely want to use a credit card with that guy.

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markboss
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posted 01-20-2004 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for markboss   Click Here to Email markboss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Early ford truck voltage regulators, have the same case as the rev-limiters. Be careful, some of the ebay repos are made from plastic, and are not accurate....I used to buy rev limiters for about $50...in the early 80's...

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posted 01-20-2004 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you know the application? It doesn't look like any on this ebay pic:

http://search.ebaymotors.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=ford+voltage+regulator&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2Fws%2F&maxRecordsPerPage=30&sit eid=100&s_partnerid=2&from=R10&currdisp=2&itemtimedisp=1&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&categorymap=6000&wty=0&sp=0&BasicSearch=&category0=

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'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
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posted 01-21-2004 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for markboss   Click Here to Email markboss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.boss302.com/board/viewthread.php3?FID=2&TID=5194

This is a link on Boss302.com about the voltage regulators.......I do not know the specific application...

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posted 01-21-2004 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

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