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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4504
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 11-07-2002 11:01 PM
   
I really like this car , and , I am thinking of bidding on it , but , I am not familiar with this car , nor do I know what a fair market value would be , based upon description given on it. I would appreciate any and all information or help you could give me. Thanks in advance to all of you. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872025820 Forgot to add the link , I am a bonehead 
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mustang68mustangs
Gearhead Posts: 289
From: pittsburgh,pa.usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 11-07-2002 11:20 PM
I cant really help you on the fair market value but I think it is a sweet looking car. As the bid sets now it seems like a good deal but the reserve also hasnt been met yet.Also not many miles which is always a plus.
I'm sure someone here is familiar with this model, just gotta be patient I guess.
Bob
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 1853
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-08-2002 12:30 AM
I'd email him John and ask what the reserve was/ IE his bottom dollar.
Looks nice I have no clue what it is worth though. 
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66HIPO&more
Gearhead Posts: 3028
From: SLC, UT
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 11-08-2002 06:03 AM
Steve L. has a 72 Sprint. Maybe he knows the value of such a car.
However, I have doubts about the claims of Olympic edition for 72 games in LA.
72 Olympics were held in Munich, Germany where the Israeli athletes were murdered.
Otherwise looks like a nice car.
J.
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1746
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 11-08-2002 07:12 AM
I've only had my '72 a few months, and am still studying, but the steering wheel has gotta be wrong (he says the interior is all original), the hood scoop is wrong, and there are a few other things that look weird but I don't want to put my foot in it
It's easy enough to make a Sprint clone, but the real things are quite rare I believe. I think there;s an old thread here on M&M about the numbers. Maybe it was the convertible that was rare.
Steve L will tell you all.
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 11-08-2002 07:12 AM
I've only had my '72 a few months, and am still studying, but the steering wheel has gotta be wrong (he says the interior is all original), the hood scoop is wrong, and there are a few other things that look weird but I don't want to put my foot in it
It's easy enough to make a Sprint clone, but the real things are quite rare I believe. I think there;s an old thread here on M&M about the numbers. Maybe it was the convertible that was rare.
Steve L will tell you all.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-08-2002 08:17 AM
Sprint are pretty rare. Since I bought mine in '77, I have only seen 2 others in person. I've never seen one at a car show.They were built as a springtime sales promotion in 1972, and were red white and blue to commemerate the 1972 Olympics in Munich. There were 6247 hardtops, 3086 sportsroofs, and 50 convertibles built. The 50 convertibles were built for the 1972 Cherry Blossom Parade in Washington DC in 1972 to represent the 50 states. Compare these numbers to 27675 Mach 1s to give you an idea on the numbers. There were also Sprint Mavericks and Pintos. Here's what it should look like:
http://www.angelfire.com/sports/1972mustang/page3.html Aside from checking the VIN with Ford or Kevin Marti, a sure way to tell a true Sprint in by the HB interior trim code on the door sticker. The Sprint is the only Mustang with this white and blue w/vermilion piping interior. CPI lists a '72 hardtop in good condition as only worth $3250 but when you account for the rarity of the Sprint option you could argue it's at least worth the equivalent of the Mach 1 option, bringing it to $7100. Fully restored, it would be in the area of $14-15k, I would guess.
The car in the ad is painted black where it should be Grabber Blue, has an incorrect hood scoop and rear spoiler and steering wheel. It seems to have the correct interior. You can't tell the true condition of the car without seeing it in person. I generally urge people not to buy a car you haven't seen in person, unless you can have someone you trust look at it. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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RICKS
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: Ocala, FL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-08-2002 08:25 AM
Steering wheel is wrong, driver's seat either has a slip-cover on it (meaning it's probably covering shredded upholstery underneath) or is upholstered in something funky. The passenger seat looks funny in the photo, like the inserts are velour. ???? Black arm rest pad on white door panel. "Original interior" looks to be a very relative term. But at least new sprint upholstery IS available. Exterior looks straight, but it looks like there's serious cancer along the RH rear wheel lip (hard to see). Where there's smoke, there's often fire all underneath the car, so that's a concern. Of course the hood scoop and black-out hood treatment will have to be un-done. The front bumper is super crooked, which could indicate nothing but a minor "bump", or could be a smoking gun for a much more major front-end hit. I'll bet you under the hood has been monkeyed with, otherwise wouldn't he have included an engine shot with his photos? This is the type of car that is real hard to put a figure on without seeing in person. For now, the bidding is safe and low. But cars like this are big time leaps of faith buying online sight-unseen.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-08-2002 08:25 AM
Oh, this part in the ad: "This model of Mustang is only sold in California for 72 LA Olympics." is totally wrong. They were sold all over the US. Mine has a DSO of 11, Boston, and was delivered to a dealer in Springvale, Maine. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
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posted 11-08-2002 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by RICKS:
Steering wheel is wrong, driver's seat either has a slip-cover on it (meaning it's probably covering shredded upholstery underneath) or is upholstered in something funky. The passenger seat looks funny in the photo, like the inserts are velour. ???? Black arm rest pad on white door panel. "Original interior" looks to be a very relative term. But at least new sprint upholstery IS available.
I don't think the inserts are velour, I thought it just looks worn. I could be wrong. I can't tell if the door pull is black or the correct dark blue. Does NPD have the correct ComfortWeave, or is it still pressed vinyl? I was under the impression I'll need to have custom upholstery work done on mine, I'll love to just find the real deal. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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RICKS
Gearhead Posts: 259
From: Ocala, FL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-08-2002 09:34 AM
I'm afraid that "real" comfortweave is history. The only factory in the world left producing was in Taiwan and was wiped out by a typhoon almost ten years ago now. All that is available is the pressed stuff. However, you can still find yardage of the real stuff from obsolete fabric and vinyl dealers like SMS and Original Auto Interiors. Then the most economical and best end-result thing to do would be to buy a set of the repro Sprint interior (TMI), and have a good trim shop swap in (panel) the correct comfortweave. You may be right, but the arm rest looked pitch black to me on my monitor. Could be the photo, or my monitor.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-08-2002 09:46 AM
I thought that was the case. Fortunately, my brother-in-law's friend is an upholsterer, and he claims he can find the material 'no problem.' We'll see... John, it may interest you to know there were Canadian Sprints built, too. I don't know much about them, aside that they had Maple Leafs instead of USA shields on the rear quarters. ------------------
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cobravenom71
Gearhead Posts: 779
From: Kissimee, Fl USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-08-2002 12:38 PM
The car in the photos appears to have a couple of incorrect items on it. All the 72' sprints were white with blue hood stripes,lower bodyside and tail panel paint, accented with red pinstripes. This car appears to have black paint instead of blue. Also, there should be no hood scoop.
Of note, the '72 sprint package was aviailible from any US Ford dealership, not just the LA area dealers. The sprint was availible on Pinto's and Mavericks as well.
In the Mustang line, there were 'A' and 'B' packages. The 'B' package was basically a competition suspension upgrade, with Magnum 500 wheels. It was availible on hardtops and fastbacks. There was a limited run of 50 convertibles for the actual olympics, I believe.
The Sprint is only a little more valuable than a comparably equipped non-sprint, so don't pay too much. Also, the seat upholstery(as well as the rest of the interior) has a unique cover. The currently availible reproductions are excellent, but they are not correct.The original seats had red 'piping' only between the blue inserts and the white vinyl. The repro's have all the piping done in red. It actually looks better, in my opinion yet it is not correct.
Incidentally, these cars were also sold in Canada, but they had a Canadian 'maple-leaf' decal in place of the USA decal.
Speaking of Canadian Mustangs, I think it's time for a new post... ------------------
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 3600
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-08-2002 12:43 PM
wonder why he took all the pics in the shade instead of out in the sunlight???------------------
mike r
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 5739
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-08-2002 03:12 PM
There was someone on this site that had one of the cvs. A few years ago, found one in a Fl.U-Pic. It was rusted beyond repair. The owner, who I knew, had died and it ended up there. Still had orig paint and wasted orig. int. He said that someone had used it as a boat launcher, backing it into the salt water to launch a boat. Contacted the man on M&M and they took it off the registry.
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71RESTO
Gearhead Posts: 1288
From: Oregon, USA
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-08-2002 08:49 PM
Hey John,
From the posts above, everyone has already hit upon the "deficiences" with this car (hood scoop, paint, etc.) and it looks like the wrong seat covers to me as well (like Rick said, they look velour which they shouldn't be!!). Also it looks like a wet spot in the pasenger side carpet (fishy??) Last year at the Bellevue show was an immaculate '72 Sprint fastback for sale that the guy was asking $8500 for (with all the correct paint and interior), so this should give you an idea of the price range they are going for on one that is done right (rather than this one).
If it is something you "can't live without", Corvallis is 90 minutes south of here (and my daughter attends college there) and I could always go check it out for you if need be and visit her while I'm at it.
But i would check with KEvin Marti on the VIN to see if it's a true Sprint before bidding (just my $.02), because you can get fastbacks in the $5000 range all day long.------------------
Duane
71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto)
73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed)
66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's)
89 LX 2.3 convertible (daughter Amanda's)
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65Acode
Journeyman Posts: 54
From: Houston,TX
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 11-08-2002 11:14 PM
Off subject, but...That's what I like about hangin' out at this place. Somebody has a question, and you not only get answers and much sought after educated opinions, but you get someone ready to drive up and take a look at the car for you. Thanks Duane and all the rest. Put a smile on my face Nick
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mustangs68
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From: Hampton,Virginia,USA MCA#39406 M&M #12
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-09-2002 10:45 AM
Mellow,
That was Deke,He found one for sale.It was one of 50 made for the Cherry Blossom Festival in DC.
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Moneymaker
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Registered: May 99
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posted 11-09-2002 12:06 PM
The one ram air 351 car that I saw at one of my local dealers sat around until mid 1973.  ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-09-2002 12:53 PM
Pete, here's who you are thinking of, Ben Mandell:https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/BenMandell.html ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-09-2002 01:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 71RESTO:
it looks like the wrong seat covers to me as well (like Rick said, they look velour which they shouldn't be!!).
On my Sprint, when you look at the seats in the right light it will look like that too, and mine are the original seats.
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cobravenom71
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From: Kissimee, Fl USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-09-2002 06:05 PM
I don't think the 72 sprints were avilible with ram-air. If they were, then the hood should be painted with a blue center section with red pinstripes, and have the hood pins. Has anyone ever seen one of these? I think they would be extremely rare. ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-09-2002 06:43 PM
Been down that road before Mr. Venom. 
I saw it with my OWN eyes and it was at the same dealer for over a year. It was a special order car with every option available. The dealer had an addendum sticker on it trying to take advantage of the Olympic theme. It didn't work as the car was just too expensive for a Mustang coupe. The gas crunch was just getting in swing and a 4v 351C was not the most fuel efficiant vehicle around at the time either. ------------------
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cobravenom71
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From: Kissimee, Fl USA
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posted 11-09-2002 08:19 PM
Was the Ram-Air dealer installed? I think that Ram-Air was availible only on the 351-2V engines due to some emissions entanglements. Was the hood painted as mentioned earlier? I think that woild look excellent.
Now, of course the question is... Could a 351-2V sprint be factory ordered with ram-air?
I remember seeing several 72 sprints in Houston, TX when they were new, but I don't recall seeing a ram-air equipped one.
I assume that Ford did not have the set-up to paint the ram-air hood in the 2-color sprint paint scheme.
I think you have given me an idea....------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-09-2002 09:12 PM
That's how My Sprint will be painted. It already has the NACA/NASA hood on it, and I will use the Mach 1 hood treatment with Grabber Blue for the blackout, and 1/4" red pinstriping.  I've had so-called 'experts' tell me no-way/no-how did the Sprints come with Ram Air, but I know that wackier things have been ordered and if Alex tells me he saw one at his local dealership that's good enough for me. My car won't be 'correct' anyway. I'm building it for me!
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'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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cobravenom71
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posted 11-09-2002 09:28 PM
Yeah, that car would look excellent like that. I couldn't really tell, did you say you saw a new one at a dealer with the ram-air and the 2-color sprint paint scheme? That car would probably be worth a considerable amount.------------------
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71RESTO
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From: Oregon, USA
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posted 11-10-2002 12:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
My can won't be 'correct' anyway. I'm building it for me!
AHHH Steve,
Why exactly isn't your "can" correct and why are you having to rebuild it?? (LOL)
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Duane
71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto)
73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed)
66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's)
89 LX 2.3 convertible (daughter Amanda's)
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-10-2002 01:20 AM
I honestly don't remember the paint scheme on the hood. I do remember the Ram Air hood and air cleaner as I was on and under it several times. It was NOT dealer installed. It WAS factory and on the window sticker. They kept on trying to sell the damn thing to me everytime I came it the place.
I also remember it having a 3.25 traction lock and a C-6. ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
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posted 11-10-2002 05:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 71RESTO:
AHHH Steve,
Why exactly isn't your "can" correct and why are you having to rebuild it?? (LOL)
LOL! Bushing problem... You know...  ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-10-2002 05:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I honestly don't remember the paint scheme on the hood.
I'd bet the only way would be the Mach 1 treatment, because then the paint department would have just had to have used the regular Mach 1 hood treatment template. The original Sprints used a tape package for the stripes that filled in shallow depressions of the standard hood. It wouldn't have worked on the bulging surfaces of the NASA hood, and I doubt they would have any prepared for such a rare order. I bet the one Alex saw was ordered by someone with 'pull' who changed his mind after the fact. When I worked at a Buick garage, the owner managed to get a few 'non-available combinations ordered. I remember one real gross Regal he ordered for a customer that wanted a peasoup/beige/plum combination. That was a site to behold. The customer was happier than a pig in sh*t, but it was tough prepping the car without puking. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-10-2002 08:42 PM
I thought and thought until I almost farted.
It had a matt black hood finish.
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Alex Denysenko
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-10-2002 08:45 PM
You're sure that wasn't a 'Sports Hardtop' right? Do you remember those? A coupe that had the NASA hood, Mach 1 style grille, side stripes, and Magnums?------------------
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