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Wicked-Toy
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From: Richmond, VA USA
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posted 11-06-2002 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wicked-Toy   Click Here to Email Wicked-Toy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this has been discussed before , but here goes. My buddy has a 67 Coupe that happens to have a 65 289 and C4 auto. He is having trouble with the starter turning the engine when hot. He has put 3 or 4 different starters on it and in time they all act the same. I assume it is a heat soak problem. Wires have been replaced and ground is clean and tight. The 302 and C$ in my 65 coupe are of a late 70's vintage and I was able to use a smaller starter off of a 5.0 engine to solve this problem. We tried this on his car and the starter wont engage the flex plate to start the car. Does anyone know of a "newer" starter that will fit a 65 enfine and C4 trans. He has dual exhausts on the car but no headers. He is using the stock exhaust manifolds. He is embarresed to drive the car as the starter really drags when hot and sometimes wont turn the engine.

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Scott Akom
65 Coupe (Modified)
68 Coupe (Son's)
2000 GT Conv. (Wifes)
1987 GT Conv. (Son's)
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-06-2002 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
M-11000 B-50 FRPP starter and a SK-348 Motorcraft solenoid adapter kit will cure all of your problems.

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Alex Denysenko
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69 Sportsroof
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posted 11-06-2002 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before he goes and spends money again, tell him to check his timimg. Sounds like he could have too much initial advance.

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-06-2002 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That too.
But, if he has been buying "house brand" parts store rebuilt starters, it is very possible that they are junk.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
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Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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Wicked-Toy
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From: Richmond, VA USA
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posted 11-06-2002 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wicked-Toy   Click Here to Email Wicked-Toy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex for the part numbers. We are going to do another good check on things this weekend including the timing issue. Three of the starters have been "parts house rebuilds" the last one was taken to a local rebuilder and supposedly done right but who knows.

Alex, is the stuff you listed available thru the usual places. ie Summuit Jegs etc.

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Scott Akom
65 Coupe (Modified)
68 Coupe (Son's)
2000 GT Conv. (Wifes)
1987 GT Conv. (Son's)
1966 Project Conv.[URL=http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/3845/65dsde2.jpg
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-06-2002 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes it is.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"

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69 Sportsroof
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posted 11-06-2002 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
if he has been buying "house brand" parts store rebuilt starters, it is very possible that they are junk.

3 or 4 for the same car? Could be but I'd check the timing before I bought anything.

I guess I'm lucky. I've only had one "house brand" product go bad on me and it was after the one year warranty was up but they still replaced it for free. It helps when you deal with the same folks as often as you can....

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-06-2002 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll tell you guys, over the last few years the quality of rebuilt electrical parts has really gone down hill. Starters and alternators from the chain parts houses are absolute junk! \
We were at a race a few months ago and had a friends GM high torque starter go out. We went to the local AutoZone and bench tested three before we found one that took less than 200 AMPS to spin. Can you imagine what it would have taken to turn over the engine?
I am to the point now that if a friend or neighboor wants a starter or alternator installed I won't do it. I sure won't get paid twice or three times. Our local NAPA store carries only high line rebuilt products and they are very expensive. They also pay us labor if they fail under warrantee.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"

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69 Sportsroof
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posted 11-06-2002 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69 Sportsroof   Click Here to Email 69 Sportsroof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard similar stories, I've just never had it happen to me (knock on wood ). If you buy a part from my local Autozone and have it proffesionally installed, they will pay the labor to have it replaced should it fail. The mechanic I use told me this. The alternator and starter I just put on my 69 both came from Autozone. I may wind up eating a little crow but so far so good.

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