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borgwarriormoose
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posted 10-30-2002 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for borgwarriormoose   Click Here to Email borgwarriormoose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, first Post!!!
I have built a mexican block '77 351 and installed it in my E-150. Among other modifications, I have a Comp Cams Xtreme energy 4x4 cam in it, matching high energy hydraulic lifters,matching double valve springs, and Harland Sharp 1.6 roller rockers on 1970 351 heads, which have been modified by extensive(by me) porting, screw in studs, teflon seals, hardened seats and guide plates.
The problem I am having, is that at any preload that I choose(even with 0 preload!), it sounds like I am running a soild lifter setup with all sorts of insane valvetrain clatter, or that the lifters are constantly in a state of collapse. There is no binding. nothing is contacting anything else(That I can see),,,,,Any thoughts? I have had a few other setups with the same lifters, and had zero noise, This engine also has good oil pressure......Bad lifters? rocker arms?

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Hell_Fish
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posted 10-30-2002 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What springs are you running?

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borgwarriormoose
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posted 10-30-2002 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for borgwarriormoose   Click Here to Email borgwarriormoose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
comp 986-16's(double springs and dampener) and those were changed(with heads still on the engine, and this engine is in a '85 ford e-150 van, with the doghouse surround) after another noise popped up, I had too weak a spring on it noise is still there. It sounds like it may have something to do with the rockers, but they operate smoothly off of the head. Comp cams tried to tell me that it was the valves smacking the valve seats, but this is not the first hi-po engine I have built, nor is it the fastest, And I have never heard of valve noises THAT loud.

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lyle29464
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posted 10-30-2002 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464   Click Here to Email lyle29464     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How much oil pressure do you have?
I had an oil pump that stuck closed and put out too much flow It sounded like yours.

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67coupe
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posted 10-30-2002 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67coupe   Click Here to Email 67coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ive got the same problem on my cleavland but ive changed everything even the heads i just dont get it i dont think mine is as noisy but i got used to it hope u figure it out mayby i missed something?

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-31-2002 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to M&M borgwarriormoose !

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I would definatly check two very elementary items.
1) Check your oil supply to the top end
2) Verify your push rod length. They may be too short.

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bluestreek
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posted 10-31-2002 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope I'm wrong, but that is also a common noise that comes from of a cam that didn't break in correctly.

Maybe it's something simple like misaligned guide plates.

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borgwarriormoose
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posted 10-31-2002 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for borgwarriormoose   Click Here to Email borgwarriormoose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, so far as oil flow goes, I had to switch to the ford motorsport tall chrome-stamped-steel valve covers with the baffles, it was blowing oil out of the grommets on the aluminum(or how the british say it, AL-LEW-MINIUM) Motorsport covers without the baffles, so there is good oil flow I think(I also made the mistake of trying to run the rockers with the engine running, remember, this is in an '85 econoline conversion van, and the engine is exposed to the interior).

I have a rocker arm Geometry checker, and it was really close, as a matter of fact, the best yet I have worked on.....

Has anyone here ran Comp's fast bleed lifters? And if there is someone, do you have alot of noise with those? I think that I may have a set of incorrectly boxed fast bleeds, the noise gets worse as the RPM increases up into the 6000 rpm range.
Thanks, I hope I am not trying to leech too much information with out giving something back, I know a few things so I can give knowledge back, but as this problem demonstrates, you can never know enough....

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indyphil
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posted 10-31-2002 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think if you had fast bleed lifters the noise would go away at the higher RPMS. I would check the pushrod length.

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RonnieT
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posted 10-31-2002 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RonnieT   Click Here to Email RonnieT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you say they make noise with 0 preload do you mean that you bottomed the plunger out in the lifter, or just started to push on the plunger? The preload setting should colapse the lifter .030" if I remember correctly. One thing I would look at is how much clearance there is between the guide plate and pushrod. When I first put my engine together the guide plates were for 3/8 pushrods and I had 5/16" pushrods. I'm sure if I would not have caught this it would have made a lot of valve train noise.

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