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Topic: Anyone here running 2 1/2 " exhaust on a 65 - 68??
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bgseib Journeyman Posts: 90 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 09:35 AM
I am about to get my exhaust replaced, and I just don't feel right running 3" from the headers tapered down to 2 1/2 to the mufflers, then at the end of the mufflers he said it would be to hard to run 2 1/2 around the axle, so he wants to run 2 1/4 from the mufflers back... This just seems like it would create a blockage at the muffler exit... Does anyone here run 2 1/2 all the way?? Is it really to hard to bend that pipe around the axle???Thanks, Brian
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johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 2364 From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 09:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by bgseib: I am about to get my exhaust replaced, and I just don't feel right running 3" from the headers tapered down to 2 1/2 to the mufflers, then at the end of the mufflers he said it would be to hard to run 2 1/2 around the axle, so he wants to run 2 1/4 from the mufflers back... This just seems like it would create a blockage at the muffler exit... Does anyone here run 2 1/2 all the way?? Is it really to hard to bend that pipe around the axle???Thanks, Brian
I have 2 1/2" all the way from front to back , on my 65 fastback 289. It is a custom job and mandrel bent. no problem getting it up and over the rear axle. Does not seem to be any blockage at all , works and sounds great for a street car. I hope you are not going with flowmasters JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 68 COUPE (SOLD) 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK
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68DARKHORSE Gearhead Posts: 116 From: Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 09:51 AM
Get the Flowmaster mandrel bent 2 1/2" pipes(they can be purchased without mufflers) and Dynomax Super Turbos.
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bgseib Journeyman Posts: 90 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 10:13 AM
Well, actually I am going with the flowmasters... I just really like the way they sound... Why do you dislike them so much? Is it the sound, or price, or what?? Just curious... I did not think the 2 1/2 would be that big of a deal either, but the guy seems like he is real worried about it.... I don't know why...Brian
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1050 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 10:15 AM
Yea, just call Summit and ask for a pair of Flowmaster 2.5" mandrel bent tailpipes for a 66 mustang. They only cost $99/pair, and are the best money you will spend on your exhaust system.When you take them to the muffler shop, the technician will think they are the coolest things he's ever seen. Years ago, before these were being made, I had a 2.5" exhaust fabricated by a good local exhaust shop. We bent up FIVE different tailpipes before we got two that we were somewhat happy with. The guy didn't even charge me extra... He would have loved for me to show up with those mandrel bent Flowmasters! As a side note... There's not much muffler room under a 65-66 mustang. Do NOT use extra long mufflers. They just don't fit. The shorter they are, the more room you've got to make that first bend up and over the axle. Shorter is better. MUCH better. Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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mustangboy Gearhead Posts: 285 From: Ont, Canada Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 10:20 AM
I run 2 1/2 from the headers to my mufflers(techflow afterburners)and then 2 1/4 tailpipes.This setup costs me about 2 tenths at the track,I use to have 2 1/4 all the way back and it would cost me 3 tenths.Also my tailpipes are not mandrel bent and they are squished pretty bad.I have to check into the flowmaster tailpipes but I've heard they're not available for GTs (exiting through the rear valence)so I'll have to see if there close enough to just modify at the tips to get them to fit.------------------ 1968 mustang j-code sprint.13.69@101 1963Falcon waiting for a rebirth.
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bgseib Journeyman Posts: 90 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 10:30 AM
Does anyone know if the mandrell's from summit will exit out the valance (GT) or not? And is mandrell really the only way to go with 2 1/2? And are flowmaster 40's short mufflers or long?Thanks, Brian
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Tim65GT Journeyman Posts: 3 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 10:31 AM
There goes John again - begging people not to use Flowmasters. I tell you, he really hates those things! Brian, I am going through the same thing right now. Can't decide what stuff to put in my exhaust system. I like the idea of the Flowmaster tailpipes, but I think I'm going with Dynomax Super Turbos. Still don't know for sure.
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rockafellz Gearhead Posts: 408 From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 10:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by mustangboy: I run 2 1/2 from the headers to my mufflers(techflow afterburners)and then 2 1/4 tailpipes.This setup costs me about 2 tenths at the track,I use to have 2 1/4 all the way back and it would cost me 3 tenths.Also my tailpipes are not mandrel bent and they are squished pretty bad.I have to check into the flowmaster tailpipes but I've heard they're not available for GTs (exiting through the rear valence)so I'll have to see if there close enough to just modify at the tips to get them to fit.
2 tenths huh? Pretty interesting. I guess when money permits, i'll have to get those flowmaster tailpipes. Hey Brian, I just got my new exhaust system installed and i've got 2.5" head pipes and 2.25" tailpipes like you mentioned. Not bad, but probably worth 2 tenths like mustangboy mentioned. Erik ------------------ 1966 Ford Mustang 2+2 Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe Dad's - Original Unrestored
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ccode67 Gearhead Posts: 1095 From: douglasville,ga,usa Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 10:50 AM
2.5 inch all the way out on my 67, it is tight over the axle especially with the rear sway bar, I wish I had bought the flowmaster tailpipes, they sure look cool.I wanted 3 chamber Flowmasters but they were too long, went with 2 chamber 40 series, and yes it is too loud. ------------------ Stuart MCA #48902 M&M #1091 67 stang 5 speed, 351W, Edelbrock Performer RPM package Artificial Intelligence is no replacement for Natural Stupidity. http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/ccode67.html
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mustangboy Gearhead Posts: 285 From: Ont, Canada Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 12:27 PM
To be fair I should mention that when I got the front pipes changed to 2 1/2 I also put on the new mufflers.I'm sure these were worth a few hp over the midas turbo mufflers that were on it with the 2 1/4.Can anyone tell me how the flowmaster tailpipes exit the car?Would it be hard to get them in the proper place for a 68 GT valence?------------------ 1968 mustang j-code sprint.13.69@101 1963Falcon waiting for a rebirth.
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indyphil Gearhead Posts: 160 From: Lafayette, IN, USA Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 02:02 PM
Just a quick note I got a new exhaust fitted on the weekend. 2 and 1/4 inch all the way back. No headers yet. I was hearing about how 2-1/2 inch pipes will make more hp on a wild engine but might be bad for a stock engine (less low end torque and throttle response).for a 289 2-1/4 inch is big enough for a stock engine that doesnt see much racing. depends what you want to do with the car. My 2-1/4 seem to flow OK, make a nice noise (plain turbo mufflers) when compared to the crappy single exhaust I was using. Not too loud to annoy the neighboors but a nice throaty sound compared to stock best part was, the whole job was free, from the headers back. The guy welding the hanger on the drivers side scorched the underside of the rear bench seat. The honest shop owner offered me new seats or the whole thing for free. Since you cant even see the tiny scorch mark when the seats are installed I took the free system!
------------------ '68 coupe 289 2V CAT engine performance engineer
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68DARKHORSE Gearhead Posts: 116 From: Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 02:12 PM
Dynomax sounds and flows better than Flowmaster.
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1050 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-23-2002 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by mustangboy: I have to check into the flowmaster tailpipes but I've heard they're not available for GTs (exiting through the rear valence)so I'll have to see if there close enough to just modify at the tips to get them to fit.
They will need to be modified to exit the rear valance. In addition... I have never had any experience with these, but MAC used to offer mandrel bent tailpipes for 65-66 mustangs @ $159... and they offered one part number for non-GT's and one for GT's (I'm assuming these would exit through the rear valalce) They probably have a website... Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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69 Sportsroof Gearhead Posts: 359 From: Valley, Alabama, USA Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-23-2002 04:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by 68DARKHORSE: Dynomax sounds and flows better than Flowmaster.
This is true... Plus, they have a $20 rebate going on now.
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bifs66 Gearhead Posts: 102 From: Maryland Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 10-23-2002 07:54 PM
I installed the whole Flowmaster "American Thunder" 2 1/2" exhaust system on the 66 Fastback (342" stroker, top loader). This was connected to Hooker "competition" long tube ceramic coated headers. IIRC, the headers were about $320 and the Flowmaster exhaust system was also about $320. A small connector pipe was required on each side to connect the header collector to the Flowmaster H-pipe. A local muffler shop bent these short pipes up for me for around $25. The tailpipes are made of stainless steel, and look exactly like the exhaust pipes on my 85 Mustang GT. They extend below the valence panel and are cut at an angle. I'm very satisfied with the result. Last weekend, the Fastback ran 13.2 @ 111 mph in complete street trim (regular radials, full exhaust, air cleaner in place , etc.) ------------------ Bernie Frank 66 Fastback restomod project 85 GT (preserved) 82 GT (original)
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bgseib Journeyman Posts: 90 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 10-24-2002 11:04 AM
Talked to the exhaust guy last night and he will do the 2 1/2 all the way out... I am also going to have an H pipe put in.. Should look really cool, and sound great... I think I am going to stick with the flowmasters, just cause I know how they sound, and I have only heard one objection to them. And the ultra flows are bit more expensive than the flowmasters... I am open for suggestions if anyone likes any other types of mufflers and can tell me why they are worse or better...??Thanks guys..
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1050 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-24-2002 11:21 AM
Be SURE to use the $99/pair Flowmaster tailpipes!He will be able to crush bend a set of 2.5" tailpipes, but they will look like h*ll by the time he's done with them, and won't flow for sh*t. It's good advice, and they're cheap. Been there, done that! They can be modified to exit the valance panel if needed. He can cut a section out or put a small bend or two in them to make them work. Don't use crush bent 2.5" tailpipes on a 65-66 mustang! If you ignore my advice on the tailpipes, you'll wish you had listened. Whichever way you go, short mufflers are mandatory.... especially if you are going to try and use crush bent pipe. You might look into 5.0 mustang specific mufflers. These are generally shorter than the 'universal' models. Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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mustangzrule Journeyman Posts: 85 From: Orion, MI Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 10-24-2002 11:39 AM
I put Dynomax (Walker) mufflers on my 68 and they sound pretty nice and I have been told that they flow better than Flowmaster. They were cheaper too. How nice is that?
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68DARKHORSE Gearhead Posts: 116 From: Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-24-2002 12:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by bgseib: And the ultra flows are bit more expensive than the flowmasters... Thanks guys..
40 series Flowmaster= $72.92 Dynomax Ultraflo= $59.95 Dynomax Super Turbo= $31.95
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bgseib Journeyman Posts: 90 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 10-24-2002 02:16 PM
Where can you get them for that? I was looking at summitracing.com and they are more than flowmasters... Also - someone mentioned getting pre-bent rear pipes from MAC - who is MAC?? I bet it would be worth it having all the pipes mandrel bent AND already made to fit out the GT holes (that is what I have)...Thanks, Brian
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68DARKHORSE Gearhead Posts: 116 From: Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-24-2002 02:48 PM
Those are Summit prices. You may have been looking at the stainless steel Ultraflos. You have to compare Ultraflo welded race series mufflers to Flowmaster.
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1050 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-24-2002 07:03 PM
The MAC mandrel bent tailpipes have two part numbers. The ones listed as 'GT' are #64660, the non-GT are #65649. Their online catalog has the GT pipes pictured. It is at the following address.http://www.macperformance.com/2000autopdf.pdf It's a BIG file, and might take a bit to download. They are shown on p. 18 on their catalog. (It has 36 pages) You can call... 1-800-367-8846 for tech and order info. They are listed at $159.50 Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220
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