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'69PonyRider
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posted 10-19-2002 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69PonyRider   Click Here to Email '69PonyRider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where does the X-Celerator stand amongst the Torker, Strip Dominator, and Performer? thank you. How would you rate them from best to worst?

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-20-2002 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It all depends on the rest of the combination. All 4 have completley different RPM ranges and the Strip Dominator is only made for 4v heads.

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posted 10-20-2002 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69PonyRider   Click Here to Email '69PonyRider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lets say 4V quench heads for street/strip on a 377 stroker

Alex - I saw the cleveland buildup(stroker, [email protected]) you did a while back in the archives, how much horsepower were you making in the 4-5000 rpm range?

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-20-2002 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by '69PonyRider:
lets say 4V quench heads for street/strip on a 377 stroker


The strip dominator works fine on the street in a manual tranny car...
IMHO it's the best of the intakes mentioned.
Wait, I'm trying to sell a Torker right now....

[This message has been edited by Mpcoluv (edited 10-20-2002).]

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-20-2002 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
500 or so as I remember.

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Daniel Jones
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posted 10-21-2002 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>Where does the X-Celerator stand amongst the Torker, Strip Dominator, and
>Performer? thank you. How would you rate them from best to worst?

There's been a fair bit of 4V intake testing in the Pantera club.
One test was between a Torker, a Weiand Xcelerator 4V, and an Edelbrock
Performer 4V. The Performer was faster around a road course in a Pantera
(351C-4V with open chamber 4V heads, small domed TRW pistons, 230-something
cam) because the Torker was so dead below 4000 RPM. The Weiand 4V was worse
dead. I didn't have a spare Strip Dominator or Blue Thunder at the time, so
they weren't tested.

Another series of tests were done by another Pantera owner, Tim Tullio.
His engine consisted of an Erson hydraulic flat tappet cam (232 deg
duration @ 0.050", 108 LSA, 0.545" lift), Rhoads lifters, 4V quench heads,
flat tops pistons, 735 Holley, coatings, C&A rings, MSD ignition, wrapped
headers, and MPG Stinger exhaust port plates. Intakes tested included
an Edelbrock Torker, Weiand Xcelerator 4V, Offy Port-o-Sonic 4V, Holley
Strip Dominator, along with a couple dual planes. Tim spent a lot of time
optimizing the carb for each intake at the drag strip and on the street.
The Strip Dominator was 4 tenths quicker in the 1/4 mile than the Torker
and had, by far, the best driveability (smooth with no flat spots) of all
of the single planes. He said it rivaled the dual planes down low, as far
as driveability was concerned, and by 3000 RPM was pulling away. He could
never get the Torker to smooth out at lower RPM, despite a lot of tuning
time. He did not try a Blue Thunder high rise dual plane (the dual planes
were stock Ford and Edelbrock Performer).

A third set of tests were done by Mike Cook on Mad Dog Antenucci's first
372 Cleveland stroker. They tested the Strip Dominator, Blue Thunder, and
Torker. The engine had an offset ground Ford crank, 6" rods, 4V quench
heads, re-worked 750 Holley, GTS tri-y headers (wierd design 2" primaries
leading into 2 1/4" collector), Isky 280 Mega hydraulic flat tappet cam
(236?, 0.565" lift cam, 108 LSA). The Strip Dominator was the best. The
Blue Thunder came in second (hung in there well against the Strip Dominator)
and the Torker was last.

A fourth test was done by Jack Butler. He my Blue Thunder for a dyno test
against an Offy 360 and an Edelbrock Performer. The engine was a 377 cube
351C stroker (0.600" solid lifter cam, 108 lobes, 6" rods, offset ground
crank, 10.5:1 compression, Willy's modified 950 HP carb, also tested his old
650 Holley). Unfortunately, he ran all the tests with MPG intake port plates,
so I think that colors the results. The Offy 360 did very poorly, down 50 HP
to the Edelbrock. While the Offy probably isn't the best intake, I think the
port plates hurt it and the Blue Thunder but helped the Performer which has
smaller ports that match more closely to the port plates. The Blue Thunder
did best but the margin between it and the Performer wasn't as large as
expected. Again, I suspect the port plates.

I've not yet seen data I trust on the Aussie intakes (TFC, Active, and
Parker Funnelweb).

>It all depends on the rest of the combination. All 4 have completley
>different RPM ranges and the Strip Dominator is only made for 4v heads.

Yup, what he said. The tests above were all done on 3000 to 3200 lb
Panteras with 4V heads and 5 speed stick shifts. YMMV, depending upon
engine modifications, gear ratios, vehicle weight, automatic or stick
shift, etc. Engine displacement can also be factor. An intake that
might have poor low end on a 351C, might pull strong on a 408C stroker.
Tuning tips like spacers and even things like carb size, booster size,
multi-spark ignition etc. can also make a difference. Also, be aware
that results don't carry across from 4V to 2V heads. As an example, I
don't like the Weiand Xcelerator 4V on 4V heads but do like the Weiand
Xcelerator 2V on 2V heads.

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'69PonyRider
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posted 10-21-2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69PonyRider   Click Here to Email '69PonyRider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the great info, all of you. The reason im asking this is I want to build the 377C stroker with 4V quench heads. I have a chance to purchase a Torker right now and I know that the Strip's are out of production, but i knew it was the best out there. How much would a Blue Thunder go for? Seeing as how I wanted the 377 for the low-end and Dan, you said the Torker did bad for the low-end. I am not sure what other components i will use on the engine because I am barely beginning to gather information for my build-up. These things are for sure though. C6 tranny with gearless locker 3.55's. Only because i already have them.

Thank you
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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-21-2002 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by '69PonyRider:
Thanks for the great info, all of you. The reason im asking this is I want to build the 377C stroker with 4V quench heads. I have a chance to purchase a Torker right now and I know that the Strip's are out of production, but i knew it was the best out there. How much would a Blue Thunder go for? Seeing as how I wanted the 377 for the low-end and Dan, you said the Torker did bad for the low-end. I am not sure what other components i will use on the engine because I am barely beginning to gather information for my build-up. These things are for sure though. C6 tranny with gearless locker 3.55's. Only because i already have them.

Thank you
Aldo


Buy the intake last. That way you have time to gather all you other parts, look for deals on used intakes and see if anyone (oh that's me...) posts any definitive data on the Aussie intakes like the Parker Funnelweb.
You don't build you motor to fit a certain intake, you select an intake for your motor.
BTW Holman-Moody had a Bluethunder in stock last time I was over there.....

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Daniel Jones
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posted 10-22-2002 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>Thanks for the great info, all of you. The reason im asking this is
>I want to build the 377C stroker with 4V quench heads. I have a
>chance to purchase a Torker right now and I know that the Strip's
>are out of production, but i knew it was the best out there. How
>much would a Blue Thunder go for? Seeing as how I wanted the 377
>for the low-end and Dan, you said the Torker did bad for the low-end.

The Blue Thunder should be the best of those for low end. Suggested
list price is $395 but I think the street price is $350 new. Marino
at Panteras East carries them (and shows $350 as the price):

http://www.mapenterprises.net/pe/1024x768/main.htm

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'69PonyRider
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posted 10-22-2002 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69PonyRider   Click Here to Email '69PonyRider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan werent you making a Cleveland info page? Hows that coming along?

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Daniel Jones
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posted 10-22-2002 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very slowly. I'm working 60 hour weeks and just can't bring myself to spend my free time on a computer.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-22-2002 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Dan, I think that I asked before but does Hall Pantera have a website? I am trying to get in touch with a former employee friend. Thanks

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Alex Denysenko
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Daniel Jones
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posted 10-22-2002 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hall's page is:

http://www.hallpantera.com/

but the Byars brothers left Hall and went into business
on their own:

http://WWW.PRECISIONPROFORMANCE.COM/

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-22-2002 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Dan.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
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Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"

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