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catman_45
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posted 10-19-2002 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for catman_45   Click Here to Email catman_45     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, there has been some debate among the 'know it alls' who are helping me build my mustang engine. Should I use a high volume oil pump or a stock volume one? I can provide more detail if necessary.

Thanks,
-Bill

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V8 Thumper
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posted 10-19-2002 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few guys from Arkadelphia and one from Lyons who know a thing or two explained it to me this way: In a motor with precession machine work and assembly, HV pumps cost horsepower. When asked if were even concievable an insurance policy even as a 'liability' , they said NO. Do precession work with good components (the right way to build a motor), buy a good quality standard volume/pressure pump and run hard

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-19-2002 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In leiu of absolute precision machine work, use the Melling/Dynagear HV pump.

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skips69
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posted 10-19-2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I debated this too when rebuilding my 351W and went with a stock oil pump. I have the Edelbrock Performer RPM package and have had no problems for 3 + years now. It is "rated" at 400 HP/412 Torque. I did have quality machine work done and performed my owm assembly. I heard more "nay" answers when I was looking into this. Oil Pressure is always solid on mine......

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steve'66
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posted 10-19-2002 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bill,

How's that engine coming along?
I ran a HV pump on it with 5-30 Royal Purple oil and it was fine. The new 408w stroker is a stock pump with thicker oil. HV pumps are harder on the distributor's gear too.

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catman_45
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posted 10-20-2002 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for catman_45   Click Here to Email catman_45     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,

The engine was coming along fine until I had to go back to college. Now its sitting patiently until I return for summer break. Its got all its pistons in it, cam, and heads. Everything was plastigauged and we checked for smooth rotation by turning the crank with a big wrench. Its been smeared with assembly grease and wd40 and covered for the winter months. I'm looking into gear drive timing mechanisms for it right now. I think I will go with the HV pump, and my one friend did recommend a tougher distributor gear if I went that route. Anyway, I'm stuck here in Idaho while my beast sits back home in Alaska. Needless to say, I cry myself asleep to the humm of my engine every night. How are Melissa's 1/4 times with that 408 beast?

-Bill

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steve'66
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posted 10-21-2002 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bill,

That's a shame that you didn't get it finished this summer. At least you have something to look forward too.
The 408w is running 10's now, with a 10.82 best so far. Good luck,

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 10-21-2002 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Bill,

That's a shame that you didn't get it finished this summer. At least you have something to look forward too.
The 408w is running 10's now, with a 10.82 best so far. Good luck,

SteveW



Are you running 10's N/A?
What stroker kit did you use?

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steve'66
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posted 10-22-2002 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alton,

Nothing special or expensive, except maybe the engine and tranny. Here's a link to the photo page with the engine specs,

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Melissa.html

SteveW

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steve'66
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posted 10-22-2002 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 68DARKHORSE:

Are you running 10's N/A?

Yeah, it's N/A. All steel and stock suspension too down to the drum brakes. Even has the copper/brass radiator, and a stereo. It is "low budget"

SteveW

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 10-22-2002 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Steve.

My 351W is at the shop getting checked out.

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 10-22-2002 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,
How is the rear set up?
It looks like it launches nice and straight.

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steve'66
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posted 10-22-2002 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's 4 leaf springs clamped front and rear w/Rancho 9000 shocks set on 3 with Lakewood slapper bars.

SteveW

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catman_45
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posted 10-23-2002 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for catman_45   Click Here to Email catman_45     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,

Is Melissa taken? If her and I got together maybe I could drive that beast once and a while

Just joking man...

-Bill

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