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ice'68
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From: Fresno, CA
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posted 10-09-2002 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you do in fact have the Victor Jr. intake on your 351W '68 Coupe, how did you get it to fit? Did you buy a cowl induction hood?

The reason I am asking, is that my engine should be put together by the end of this week and I was wondering if I could get away with using a 2 and 1/4 drop base air cleaner on top of the Air-Gap manifold to fit under the stock hood.

Thanks in advance.

[This message has been edited by ice'68 (edited 10-09-2002).]

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-09-2002 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right now I run without a cleaner or without a hood. I am still wrestling with the idea of a cowl hood, but I love looking stock.

I bought the Edelbrock drop base unit and the element that comes with the kit looks big enough to breathe, but the hood will not close. I bought a shorter element (1.5 inch height) to see if it would fit, and the bolt that goes thru the top cover scratches the underside of the hood. That element is so small I worry about restricting my flow.

I have been toying with the idea of increasing the curvature of the hood so that it doesn't look like I am running a cowl type. I have also thought about a shaker, but that is very expensive and a dead giveaway that I am not running a stock 302.

I tried to find engine lowering mounts with no luck, but the idea of making some has crossed my mind also. Maybe there's a market and that's my million $ idea.

How high is the air gap vs the vic jr? I only really need aprox 2 inches to fit the stock cleaner on my Vic Jr.

[This message has been edited by mustangzrule (edited 10-09-2002).]

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ccode67
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posted 10-09-2002 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe the Airgap and Victor Jr. are the same height.
I'm running the Performer Rpm intake and it clears by about a quarter inch, intake is about 1 inch shorter.
I have seen the short motor mounts listed, It was Mustangs Unlimiteds catalog, #2287 , I'm not sure how much shorter they are.

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67 stang 5 speed, 351W,
Edelbrock Performer RPM package

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-09-2002 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have placed a call to MU regarding the specs on this part. If it is what I think it is, then I owe you ccode67.

The tech should call me back tomorrow (out today) and I will post what I find here.

Link to part (without much other info)
http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/aspfiles/itemdy01.asp?U ID=2002100911072303&T1=2287+02&Category=Engine&catkey=EMUSTANG

[This message has been edited by mustangzrule (edited 10-09-2002).]

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ccode67
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posted 10-09-2002 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangzrule:
If it is what I think it is, then I owe you ccode67.

I accept all forms of CASH.

Let me know if it works.

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Stuart MCA #48902
M&M #1091
67 stang 5 speed, 351W,
Edelbrock Performer RPM package

Artificial Intelligence is no replacement for Natural Stupidity.

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ice'68
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posted 10-09-2002 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya man, I was thinking the same thing. I want to retain the stock look so I can scare the sh** out of people. Hell, I even have the 289 emblems still on the car I'll check those motor mounts out, ty for the reply.

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ccode67
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posted 10-10-2002 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ice'68:
Ya man, I was thinking the same thing. I want to retain the stock look so I can scare the sh** out of people. Hell, I even have the 289 emblems still on the car I'll check those motor mounts out, ty for the reply.

Stock look is the reason I went with the RPM intake, still running a plain old flat hood.

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-10-2002 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just got off the phone with Kevin, the tech at Mustangs Plus. He told me that those mounts are for non-convertible cars and are basically the stock mounts for a 289/302 coupe. The tall mounts are for the convertible to clear the extra bracing underneath, and the holes on the convertible are drilled lower leaving the motor in the same place as teh coupe. You can use tall (convertible) mounts in a coupe, but they will move the motor UP, not down.

His suggestion is custom made mounts, or a hood scoop. I say yuck to both ideas.

I will likely make custom mounts when I get my Lincoln welder. @#&^%@

He says that a 427 with stock mainfold fits nicely under the hood. Why did I stroke that Windsor again? Somebody want to refresh my memory?

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ccode67
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posted 10-10-2002 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bummer, so I take it the "short" mounts are actually stock for a coupe/fastback??

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-10-2002 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ccode67:
Bummer, so I take it the "short" mounts are actually stock for a coupe/fastback??

According to Kevin, yes. He was one of those hard to argue with people and his answer was not a straightforward as I'd have liked, but his basic message is that what you stated above is true.

Bummer is an understatement. I like my stock hood way too much to cut it.

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ice'68
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posted 10-10-2002 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grrrrrr, and I paid $230 for that Air-Gap Intake

Oh well, it looks like I'm going with the Performer RPM Intake...

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ice'68
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posted 10-10-2002 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more question.

Anyone with the RPM package running a 3" Air Filter Element?

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[--68 Coupe--]
224/224 CompCams Performer RPM Intake Edelbrock 600 Carb
K&N Air Cleaner
C4 w/shift kit
3.55 Open Rear
Dual Flo's w/turn-downs
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jsracingbbf
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posted 10-10-2002 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about that twin side draft style air cleaner? Is it a lower profile type? Just wondering. Doesn't B& M make it?


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ice'68
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posted 10-10-2002 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Holley makes that, have seen it in Summit's catalog for like $210

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[--68 Coupe--]
224/224 CompCams Performer RPM Intake, Edelbrock 600 Carb
C4 w/shift kit
3.55 Open Rear
Dual Flo's w/turn-downs
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Calcat
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posted 10-11-2002 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Calcat   Click Here to Email Calcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For your consideration, an idea I have been playing with is making a small,low height closed element for the carb with a single duct opening and running the ducting down the pass side with a FI type K&N filter on the end. So far on my 68, the measurements say it will work. Although I'm doing this for the cold air induction, it could also address height issues.

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-11-2002 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You all know how the EFI systems have throttle bodies and those "tubes"? I wonder if one could fashion a makeshift air box that sits on the fenderwall and takes a hi-flow square filter? I think that would look different enough to get attention and would work for these doggone clearance problems.

Hey! Another million $ idea! Now if I could get off my butt and stop typing and DO it. I'd be rich if it weren't for my laziness.

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ccode67
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posted 10-11-2002 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangzrule:
You all know how the EFI systems have throttle bodies and those "tubes"? I wonder if one could fashion a makeshift air box that sits on the fenderwall and takes a hi-flow square filter? I think that would look different enough to get attention and would work for these doggone clearance problems.

Hey! Another million $ idea! Now if I could get off my butt and stop typing and DO it. I'd be rich if it weren't for my laziness.


I hate to mention this, but, I'm not sure the hood will even clear the carb?????? Anyone running a Vic Jr. with a flat hood and no air cleaner????

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 10-11-2002 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ccode67:
I hate to mention this, but, I'm not sure the hood will even clear the carb?????? Anyone running a Vic Jr. with a flat hood and no air cleaner????

Check the first reply to this thread.

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 10-11-2002 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Calcat:
For your consideration, an idea I have been playing with is making a small,low height closed element for the carb with a single duct opening and running the ducting down the pass side with a FI type K&N filter on the end. So far on my 68, the measurements say it will work. Although I'm doing this for the cold air induction, it could also address height issues.

[This message has been edited by Calcat (edited 10-11-2002).]



I've seen some carburetor bonnets for use with blowers that might work. Also checkout the coldair kits for throttlebody injected GM trucks.

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ice'68
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posted 10-13-2002 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So....what size air filters are you guys running? I can sell my 3" and buy a 2 1/4", I just need to know if it's necessary.

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[--68 Coupe--]
224/224 CompCams
Performer RPM Intake
Edelbrock 600 Carb
C4 w/shift kit
3.55 Open Rear
Dual Flo's w/turn-downs
Hooker Headers

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V8 Thumper
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posted 10-13-2002 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ice'68:
One more question.

Anyone with the RPM package running a 3" Air Filter Element?


Yes

Mexican 302 block in a '65, NOT a 351W. Here's a pic:

https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/003324.html

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ice'68
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posted 10-13-2002 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more question Todd.

What type of motor mounts are you using and where did you get them? Can they be used on a '68?

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[--68 Coupe--]
224/224 CompCams
Performer RPM Intake
Edelbrock 600 Carb
C4 w/shift kit
3.55 Open Rear
Dual Flo's w/turn-downs
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