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ewokeric
Gearhead Posts: 174
From: woodbridge, va united states
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-07-2002 10:04 PM
   
Ok guys onto the next concern of mine. The passing gear in my car does not seem to be engaging. I checked the cable and it seems to be pulling the lever on the side of the tranny. Is there a proper way to adjust this or do i need to take this to a shop. And is there a problem of leaving it like this. The tranny is shifting fine as well.
Oh it is a C4 3 speed bye the way
Any thought 
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-07-2002 10:10 PM
Do you have enough passing gear fluid?  ------------------
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ewokeric
Gearhead Posts: 174
From: woodbridge, va united states
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posted 10-07-2002 10:11 PM
I will assume you are talking about the tranny fuild. I checked it the other day and it is a little low maybe a half of quart or so. Not much or is there some where else to put the fluid.
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johnmustang
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From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
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posted 10-07-2002 10:19 PM
Is the cable stretched so that it does not fully engage the kick down ? Has your kick down linkage been bent or banged some how ? Just a couple of thoughts. JOHN  ------------------
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johnmustang
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posted 10-07-2002 10:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ewokeric:
I will assume you are talking about the tranny fuild. I checked it the other day and it is a little low maybe a half of quart or so. Not much or is there some where else to put the fluid.
Not to sound like a smart a$$ but did you check the fluid properly ? Make sure the car has just been driven about 15 - 20 miles , then park it on a level lot , with the car still running go slowly through all gears , after you have done this put the car in park. Then check your fluid again with the car in park and idleing. If you are still down just add what you need , through the same tube that your tranny dip-stick came out of. It would be a good idea to check that the fluid is still nice and red , as well as , it does not have a burnt smell to it. Hope this helps , this is the way I always check my tranny fluid level. I am sure that you will get other suggestions from people more experienced than me . JOHN ------------------
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ewokeric
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From: woodbridge, va united states
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-07-2002 10:32 PM
Ok i did check the fuild but not in gear just park the car was warmed up and put car in drive and then back in park and checked it. The car i tilted slightly down hill and th fluid looks just as clean as can be. will check to see if smells burnt
Also the linkage cable appears to not be streched. But it does not come up the carb it ingages from the bottom of the accelator arm. I did not have to use the kick down adpter when i install the new carb. (elenbrock)[This message has been edited by ewokeric (edited 10-07-2002).]
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johnmustang
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posted 10-07-2002 10:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ewokeric:
Ok i did check the fuild but not in gear just park the car was warmed up and put car in drive and then back in park and checked it. The car i tilted slightly down hill and th fluid looks just as clean as can be. will check to see if smells burnt
Maybe I worded it wrong , don,t check it while it is in gear , just while it is in park. I go through the gears to make sure that every ounce of fluid is where it is suppose to be. Hope this helps you out. JOHN ------------------
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 10-07-2002 11:19 PM
The old timers here tell me that if you have two people handy, you get a better reading checking the level in gear, and that the instruction on the dipstick to check while in park is just 'cos Ford figured you'll usually be on your own, and it's safer when in park. Don't really know if all that's true.
But whatever the case, it's far more likely to be incorrect adjustment of your kickdown linkage, seeing the tranny obviously has fluid in it.
P.S.: Did you have the accelerator pedal partially depressed when you adjusted the kickdown? If not, let me know and I'll dig out my Osborn's. It spells it out, blow by blow, in there.[This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 10-07-2002).]
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-08-2002 12:45 AM
You never heard of passing gear fluid???? ------------------
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 10-08-2002 03:29 AM
I've passed all sorts of fluid in my time, but not gear fluid.
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ewokeric
Gearhead Posts: 174
From: woodbridge, va united states
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-08-2002 03:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
The old timers here tell me that if you have two people handy, you get a better reading checking the level in gear, and that the instruction on the dipstick to check while in park is just 'cos Ford figured you'll usually be on your own, and it's safer when in park. Don't really know if all that's true.
But whatever the case, it's far more likely to be incorrect adjustment of your kickdown linkage, seeing the tranny obviously has fluid in it.
P.S.: Did you have the accelerator pedal partially depressed when you adjusted the kickdown? If not, let me know and I'll dig out my Osborn's. It spells it out, blow by blow, in there.[This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 10-07-2002).]
The way i checked the kickdown cable is had my son in the car and me under the car and told him to push the gas pedal to the floor. When he did the cable pulled the leveler down all the way or so it seemed. What is the proper way to adjust if you don't mind. I will check the tranny fluild tonight on level ground and someone in car. thanks
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Rory McNeil
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From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-09-2002 02:55 AM
ALEX!! Behave yourself!! Don`t you remember that "passing gear" fluid wasn`t used until the 1973 Falcon 223" 6 cyl. Super Drag Pack option, & then only on the limited edition Grabber Green version, with the plaid racing stripes! Surlely a die hard Ford fan such as yourself couldn`t forget such a revolutionary model!!  :
Seriously, if your kickdown isn`t working, I would suspect a linkage adjustment. You don`t have something preventing WOT , such as a floor mat under the gas pedal, do you?------------------
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1746
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
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posted 10-09-2002 08:04 PM
OK ewokeric, here's what Osborn's has. I don't know how helpful this will be without the pics ...
1) With accel. linkage completely assembled and adjusted depress and hold accel. pedal to W.O.T. position. (I don't know what W.O.T. means, but it shows the pedal forward from the "lever position with pedal at idle height position".)
2) Hold cable taut so that trans. downshift lever is rotated & held against internal kickdown stop - adjust trunnion B (front end of kickdown cable) to permit assy. to hole A in lever (that's at the bottom of the accel. linkage).
Actually, now I read that through, it's a complicated way of describing exactly what you're probably doing!
Maybe you're not getting enough travel because your idle height position for the pedal is too far forward, which means you cannot depress it far enough to reach W.O.T.
What on earth is W.O.T.???
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4504
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 10-09-2002 08:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
OK ewokeric, here's what Osborn's has. I don't know how helpful this will be without the pics ...
1) With accel. linkage completely assembled and adjusted depress and hold accel. pedal to W.O.T. position. (I don't know what W.O.T. means, but it shows the pedal forward from the "lever position with pedal at idle height position".)
2) Hold cable taut so that trans. downshift lever is rotated & held against internal kickdown stop - adjust trunnion B (front end of kickdown cable) to permit assy. to hole A in lever (that's at the bottom of the accel. linkage).
Actually, now I read that through, it's a complicated way of describing exactly what you're probably doing!
Maybe you're not getting enough travel because your idle height position for the pedal is too far forward, which means you cannot depress it far enough to reach W.O.T.
What on earth is W.O.T.???
W.O.T = Wide Open Throttle JOHN ------------------
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ewokeric
Gearhead Posts: 174
From: woodbridge, va united states
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-12-2002 11:18 PM
well i checked the linkage and made some adjustments, and it works. Man what a difference on accelation when it downshifts likes it is suppose to. Thanks for you guys help in this. The only thing that a question is there is a couple sec dely in enging the passing gear. Shift smooth as well, is that normal.
Till next time
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DidgeyTrucker
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From: Greenbrier, TN USA
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 10-13-2002 03:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by johnmustang:
W.O.T = Wide Open Throttle
Some of my buddies from years ago also called this W.F.O.. Tracy
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