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johnmustang
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posted 10-05-2002 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is kinda an off-shoot of Alex`s post about " Rarest Mustang ". Which in your opinion , is the best Mustang production motor ever built and why. For me it is the 289 , I just like SB fords , easy to work on , easy to get parts for , you can get a good amount of horse & torque out of it , and , at high RPM`s it has the best sound 0f any other motor. Just my opinion , how about yours ?


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Moneymaker
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posted 10-05-2002 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Small block would be the 289 HIPO 271 HP. None better ever. Strong, reliable and almost bullit proof, solid lifters, high winding and easy to maintain.

Big block would be the 428 CJ for all the same reasons. More bang for the buck than any other BBF ever produced. Arguably the most forgiving high performance engine that ever came out of Detroit. Only the Mopar 440 375 HP (optomistic) Magnum comes close and that's a distant second.

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kid vishus
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posted 10-05-2002 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Staying true to my heart, my opinion is the best motor Ford ever made was the 1971 Boss 351. A 289 at 9k rpm has a wonderful sound, but to me, a 351C at 9k rpm has the best sound of all motors.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-05-2002 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Production motors don't go 9k Rob.
Well, unless it's your dad's old 327 chebbie that is...


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jsracingbbf
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posted 10-05-2002 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've only heard one of them run in my Life but I'd have to say the 427 cammer. It was a record setter and nearly replaced the Hemi back in the days of the AFX wars. The one I heard was in Biloxi in a power boat. Very SWEET next Fav would have to be a 429 SCJ, it was in a 1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler, a buddy of mine in high school had. This huge car smoked every chevelle around the town I lived in. And it was bone stock. Im very partial to big blocks. No substitute for cubic inches.
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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-06-2002 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For performance "Potential" I would have to say the Boss 429. Stock however it was way underdeveloped (wimpy cam and industion).
With a large stroker crank and a cam though it can crank out some power.
For the more common engines I would have to say the 351C 4V. Relative cheap and has stock heads that flow 286 CFM @ .700

BTW Brandon the Boss '9 never had GT-40 heads. Maybe NASCAR or Can Am heads.
GT-40 heads (from SVO) are generally used the late model 5.0 cars.
Are you sure it was a Boss 429? Huge motor that looks kinda like a Chrysler Hemi.....

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Boss302
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posted 10-06-2002 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss302   Click Here to Email Boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm going with the 302/5.0 (including Boss302's) but next to the 302/5.0, i LOVE 351's. both clevlands and windors. 351 just has a nice way of rolling of your tongue doesn't it??

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Fastback68
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posted 10-06-2002 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Big block would be the 428 CJ for all the same reasons. More bang for the buck than any other BBF ever produced. Arguably the most forgiving high performance engine that ever came out of Detroit.

Hmmm, I've been hunting for some time for a 429CJ, but can lay my hands on a 428CJ right away. I thought the 429 was streets ahead a better performance engine. How does the 428 measure up against the 429? As I understand it, the 428 was a big car engine originally, while the 429 was race-bred.

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70boss302
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posted 10-06-2002 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really think the 428 was a great motor, but not the best........IMHO that honor belongs to the Boss302 engine. Bullet proof and pulls like a team of screaming Banshees! It is arguably the most potent and reliable Ford engine built. OK, flame suit on, but be gentle guys. LOL Bill

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kid vishus
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posted 10-06-2002 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Production motors don't go 9k Rob.


Sorry, I didnt realize there were still any stock motors left out there.

I still like the Boss 351, even in stock form.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-07-2002 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fastback68, although the 428 FE origionaly was put in Galaxie`s & T birds, before the CJ version made it`s way into Mustangs & Torino`s, the 429 debuted similarly. The 429 first came out in 68 in T birds, 460`s were never available in a performance version. Although the 429 CJ/SCJ was a potent combo, they were also installed in heavier vehicles.Having owned 5 original 428 CJ Mach 1`s & Fairlane "Cobra`s", as well as running a 428 in my race car, I`m a bit biased, but back in the mid 70`s-mid 80`s, the 429 CJ`s were rarly seen at the local dragstrips (out this way at least), & the few stock ones I seen on the street never beat my stock 428`s. However, my buddy`s 70 Torino GT, 429 CJ 4 speed was also 400 lbs heavier than my 70 428 4 speed Mach 1. The 429/460 does have huge potential, when modified, but then if you look at the NHRA Stock, S/S records, you will see several 428 cars holding records, but no 429`s. If you can find a 428 CJ engine for a decent price, buy it! A stock 428 Mustang will run mid 13`s no sweat, idle smoothly at 650 rpm in Drive, & is very reliable, unless you feel the need to use the big numbers on the tach. They respond very well to modifications, but are very good, docile performers in stock form. Of course changing plugs is a bit of a [email protected], but hey, no pain, no gain.

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Dad Vishus
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posted 10-07-2002 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Production motors don't go 9k Rob.
Well, unless it's your dad's old 327 chebbie that is...



Never claimed 9K, quite.

I have to vote for the 351C. Best heads and small main journal crank. All ya gotta do is make em live!

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-07-2002 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I love the 351W for the parts interchange, strong internals and block, and all the goodness of the whole Windsor design.

I have never run a BBF, so I probably am really missing out on a lot. I have run BBC and SBC engines, or at least ridden on cars with them, and for stock motors, they are okay, but a dime-a-dozen. Nothing "special" about them. Besides, the cars they come in are pretty plain. I'm a 'stang foo thru and thru.

I think almost all Ford stock heads suck though. Can't breathe. Why make a block 30% stronger than the Chevy and leave the heads without the ability to breathe? Arrgh it bugs me.

Anyway, it's Monday and I ramble.

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71RESTO
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posted 10-08-2002 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 71RESTO   Click Here to Email 71RESTO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I (like kid & Dad vishus) love the 351C. I have been a fan of them for years and now that I have two cars with that engine in them, I like them even more.
They just keep pulling and pulling!!

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MrWesson22
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posted 10-08-2002 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can go 9K in a stock 289..... once.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-08-2002 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, never happen. Valves will float first just like ANY hydraulic cammed engine INCLUDING a chebbie!

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Gearhead
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posted 10-09-2002 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My vote is for the 1969/70 Boss 302. 4-bolt mains, forged crank, and those awesome Cleveland heads. They are a bit weak on the bottom, but get them up to 3500 rpm and hang on... 7000 is there NOW (once that stupid rev limiter is removed ). The Boss 302s were laying down 1/4 mile times close to that of the big block cars of the day, even giving up 126 cubic inches of displacement. To top it off the cars handled better with the Boss 302s than the bigger engines as the front/rear weight distribution was far better.

These engines were built with one purpose in mind... Trans Am racing series. Gotta love them. Too bad parts for them are so damn expensive these days.

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Mach'ed Again
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No doubt BBFs and the baby Boss are great motors, but for me, the best is the '69 351W. Good heads, lighter than any "c" motor, lots of potential if not abused too much.

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posted 10-09-2002 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss302   Click Here to Email Boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my dad got my 5.0 screamin up to 7 grand while doin a burnout...on a wet road might i add. thats pretty close to 9k

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johnmustang
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quote:
Originally posted by Boss302:
my dad got my 5.0 screamin up to 7 grand while doin a burnout...on a wet road might i add. thats pretty close to 9k


The extra 2k you would need to make 9k , would have your dad rebuilding your motor or buying you a new one

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Gearhead
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posted 10-10-2002 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Boss302:
my dad got my 5.0 screamin up to 7 grand while doin a burnout...on a wet road might i add. thats pretty close to 9k


I wouldn't be doing that too often or you are going to be looking for a new engine. A stock 5.0 that hasn't been balanced and has a lot of mileage on it should not be seeing those kinds of RPMs if you want it to live. Besides, a stock 5.0s power starts dropping off after 5500 rpm anyhow... after that you're just making more noise, not more power.

Come to think of it, the 87-95 5.0s have a rev limiter that kicks in at about 6250 rpm, if I remember correctly. The stock tachs are notoriously inaccurate, so I doubt that your engine was actually turning 7000 rpm anyhow. The point is, 7000 rpm on a stock 5.0 motor is a no-no, all you will do is end up hurting the engine.

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posted 10-10-2002 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
7 grand is close to 9 grand??
Remind me to make change for YOU sometime Boss. LOL

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