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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we have so many qualified and knowledgable experts here on M&M, I would like to open up a new topic and solicit oppinions on what would be considered the rarest 65-73 (include what some call 64.5's)Mustang (s) ever built.
No Shelbys, Shelby de Mexicos, Holman & Moody A/FX race cars or concept cars. T-5's OK. These would be cars that were actually built to be driven and eventually wound up in the hands of the general public or enthusiasts.

I'll start off with one of my favorites.
65 (64.5) black, black vinyl top, and black leather interior coupe with a K code 289 HP, automatic, and A/C built for HF II as a personal driver. It was placed into the dealer pool after HF II was done with it and sold as an executive driven car as all CSV's were. That car make the show circuit quite regularly. Probably the rarest early car that I have ever heard of or seen.

The 1968 "J" code mule car that was converted to a tunnel port 302, then a Boss 302 transplanted for testing and sold in tact, emmision controls equipment all is another that comes to mind.


Anyone ever see a Boss 351 with power windows?
Let's hear more about "REAL" cars from the rest of you.

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Hell_Fish
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posted 10-01-2002 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the 67 Fastbacks made by Shelby for Hertz rent-a-car? Don't get more "made to drive" than that.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OOPS!

Mopar guys. LOL

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Alex Denysenko
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65darkhorse
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what about the first production Mustang ? Didn't it somehow end up in the hands of some Canadian airline pilot. Not quite sure, but I think he ended up selling it (or trading it) back to Ford for inclusion in their museum.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other than the serial number, it is not a very unique car.
How about this one?
1969 Mustang Grande convert with an "S" code 390 and a 4-speed. If I had not seen it with my own eyes, I would not have believed it.
Another would have to be Bob Tasca's personal 69 Boss 429 Mustang with a factory (KK)installed C-6 automatic. One of one although not really available to the general public, it was still sold to a retail customer as a used car off of Tasca's lot.!

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johnmustang
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posted 10-01-2002 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are a few:

1970 A code green boss 429

1970 Mach 1 twister

1970 sidewinder sports roof

1971 shelby europe convert

1967 euorpe K code fastback

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MrWesson22
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posted 10-01-2002 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grande convertible?? I'd love to see that.

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Hell_Fish
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posted 10-01-2002 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are you tring to say Alex?
To be fair, I own 13 Fords, and only 3 Mopars. I don't know a lot about any of them, thus thats why I spead so much time reading here.

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T5owner
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I am still hunting that mysterious 68 W-code, that I only missed recently during my stay in Switzerland, as the owner was on holidays.
(It is not a factory W-code, but it might have been altered by Ford-related contractors or even worse - later. Anyhow it is said to have a W on the tag for the engine)

Another one is a black 71 429CJ Coupe, probably converted into a convert. by Dubois/Belgium.

Plus the Netherland assembled Mustangs with ANO Vins. (We have one in our club)

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How about Ray Harris' '65 Mustang fb featured in Popular Mechanics circa 1967. Curtiss-Wright installed the first NSU Wankel engine in it. The car is still running today. The reason it never became a Ford option was due to environmental concerns and a corporate decision not to use the Wankel. It had a catalytic converter and could not be fine tuned sufficiently to meet California '67 pollution standards. The test gear used to measure temperature and pressure of the exhaust gases are still mounted in the passengers seating area.
The only difference externally is the RC2-60 legend on the front fender instead of the usual 289 V device. Car runs like a 289 on 60 cubic inches and two rotors.
http://www.geocities.com/~okmustangs/action/act66popsci.html

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mustangs68
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posted 10-01-2002 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brandon,
Check the numbers
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PONYMAN
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posted 10-01-2002 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PONYMAN   Click Here to Email PONYMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll go with Jeff on the Wankel powered Stang. I have seen this car and seen it drive. The old man in the OKC area that has it is a Mustang nut with at least one other Stang a Shelby. The Wankel powered car is pretty cool, and he can tell you everything about it.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Three things gang.

1) Fishman, I was reffering to the fact that I said NO SHELBYS and you (a Mopar guy) missed that! LOL

2)Although extremely unique, the wankel powered car was not available to the general public and therefore does not really qualify to be in the spirit of the thread.

3) Brandon.....SHUT UP and LISTEN! You MIGHT just learn something.
Don't comment on subjects you haven't a clue on yet.

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 10-01-2002 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honey, what about LWLW's California Special "x" code - wasn't that a unique car? It may not be super-rare, but very cool that one of our member's own one! How many were produced?

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very rare indeed babe. 18 or less I thought I heard them say at the show.

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 10-01-2002 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is that "x" code, for those who didn't see it before:

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MustangDude
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posted 10-01-2002 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MustangDude   Click Here to Email MustangDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about those playboy pink cars that they made a few years?

Here's the link to 4 of them that Ford made in '69:

http://www.alldata.com/techtips/trivia/1997/19971215-trivia.html

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68 S-code GT
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posted 10-01-2002 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even though the 68 ? CJ fastbacks are rare I?ve always had a soft spot for the subtle look of the rare coupes. I believe there were even some convertibles made.

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A member in our club has the one and only '68 GT fastback that came with radial tires from the factory (verified through Kevin Marti). Can't get much more rare than that, plus to top it of it is an immacualtely beautiful red with white c-stripe!!
How about an absolute "plain jane" '70 coupe (with dog dish caps no less) and a 428CJ with 4 speed. I actually saw one at a show last year and couldn't believe it. It was gorgeous and absolutely authentic!! Not sure how many of these there are (too lazy to go look right now-hehehe).

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mustangs68
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posted 10-01-2002 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very Simple ALex.

Any Mustang without RUST
any Mustang that No ones monkeyed with the the Wiring

Now thats a rare Mustang
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posted 10-01-2002 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about the six '69 428CJ Coupes? I know where two are. The two I'm thinking of belong to members of M&M.

What about the early '65 Indy Pace Car Replicas. Not much in the way of performance. But very few still survive today.

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WOW! AM I EXCITED!!!
According to Sam I'm lucky enough to have 2 of the rarest Mustangs of all. Both of my '68 Coupes are completely RUST FREE and have unmolested wiring with factory air to boot. Unfortunately for me 1 of them is for sale. I'll post an ad soon.

?????????????

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posted 10-02-2002 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ice'68   Click Here to Email ice'68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the original "Bullit" mustang?

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Hell_Fish
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Was the GT/CS a Shelby car as well? What make the "Bullit" Mustang different? Besides being in a great movie, having a huge dent in the side, and broken front suspention?(At least it lived.)

Mopar guy trying to learn something!

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posted 10-02-2002 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 71RESTO   Click Here to Email 71RESTO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hell_Fish:
Was the GT/CS a Shelby car as well? Mopar guy trying to learn something!

Nope, just Shelby inspired! It was still produced by Ford in San Jose.

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Hey, let's not give the Mopar guy grief. At least he's not a dime-a-dozen Chevy guy with an attitude. At least the Mopar cars looked pretty cool unlike the everybody's-got-one Chevelle or Camaro.

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Its all cool, mustangzrule. I know Alex doesn't mean anything by it.

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Just a historical note. Those California specials were also sold here in Colorado as "Colorado specials". Since both state names start with "C" they could just sell the same cars both places. So your CA special might be a CO special.

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posted 10-02-2002 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another one would be a 1971 beer can coupe with a 429 SCJ Ram Air. I have only seen one and it is was and still is a race car.

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Colorado Special?? No, it was called the "High Country Special", and it had it's own unique badge on the side scoop. "GT/CS" was used only on California Specials. Speaking of High Country Specials, during my college days at UF there used to be a clapped-out, rusted to death, original paint faded to flat, '68 High Country Special CONVERTIBLE (I know, I know, I can hear the choruses "they never made a convertible HCS") that parked in the same commuter lot that I did. Back at that time, I had no idea that "supposedly" there were no HCS convertibles built, so I didn't give much thought to it other than it was a rare car and way too far gone to bother bringing back. I used to study it to burn time waiting for the bus, as it was morbidly curious how abused the poor car was. A female UF student drove it. There was also a slick '69 Mach 1 that parked in the same commuter lot. Years later, I met a guy who is now one of my best friends. Coincidentally, he was the owner of that same '69 Mach 1 I used to see parked in the lot. So one day a couple years ago I brought up the subject of that HCS convertible, and he says "Yeah! I remember that car!" So now I have a witness who remembers the car exactly as I did (so I wasn't hallucinating). In retrospect, I was an idiot to never take pictures of it. It was totally unrestored (obviously), dead original paint with no sign of fresher or different paint on any panels that would indicate it having been wrecked and "transformed" into an HCS in the process of repairing it. The shelby tail was there. The original stripes were barely hanging in there, and the HCS badges on the scoops were cracked with age. It was royal maroon. The top had gaping holes where rain just fell through. If the car had been put together by someone, it must have been done a long long time ago because this car hadn't had any effort put into it beyond adding oil and gas for it's entire life. And I don't think that's likely, because why would someone go to the trouble and expense and do that rear end treatment, and not do a Shelby lookalike? I'm totally convinced that this car was genuine, and It's probably long long gone. Other rare cars? There's some guy on VMF with an R-code '69 Grande. Or how about that playboy pink '69 Mach 1 with the black vinyl roof in Washington state?

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quote:
Originally posted by 71RESTO:
A member in our club has the one and only '68 GT fastback that came with radial tires from the factory (verified through Kevin Marti). Can't get much more rare than that, plus to top it of it is an immacualtely beautiful red with white c-stripe!!

No rarer? I have a 68 Fastback T-5 w. radial tires (FR70)! and headrests and it is blue with no chrome on the trunk lid. I should ask Kevin again, if there is another one of this combination.
Plus it has 2 bulbs in each of the rear light housing. This is really unique

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WOW-Lucy made the pics again! Ain't she a pretty girl?? We have heard that there were only 87 GT/CS X-codes. Maybe it's time for a bigger moat and somemore alligators around the garage.

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WOW-Lucy made the pics again! Ain't she a pretty girl?? We have heard that there were only 87 GT/CS X-codes. Maybe it's time for a bigger moat and somemore alligators around the garage.


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posted 10-02-2002 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
87 GT/CS "X" codes? I stand corrected.
I thought that you guys told us there were only 18.

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brandon brandon brandon.... i'm guessing Lucy is the name of the car. and the moat and alligator stuff means that they should PROTECT THEIR CAR MORE 'cause its so rare.

... a '69 coupe?? i have NEVER seen one of those before .anyone have any pics?

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Everytime we get into a discussion about the number of x-codes, the total produced increases. We started out hearing 18, then 40, the latest is 87. Hopefully the number will stick there or at least under 100. Wish there was an easy way to verify.

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quote:
Originally posted by PONYMAN:
I'll go with Jeff on the Wankel powered Stang. I have seen this car and seen it drive. The old man in the OKC area that has it is a Mustang nut with at least one other Stang a Shelby. The Wankel powered car is pretty cool, and he can tell you everything about it.


Ray now lives in Virginia I believe. He moved from OKC about six months ago after his wife Helen died. He planned to sell his specialty cars, he owned the fastback, a '68 Shelby vert and a '57 T-Bird. I know he sold the Shelby. Ray drove all of his cars on occasion and the Shelby was a good unrestored car. He had the FB for sale but no one made a serious offer for it. If someone is interested I might be able to contact him through others who know him better than I do. Don't know what he did with the T-Bird.

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Originally posted by LWLW GT/CS:
Everytime we get into a discussion about the number of x-codes, the total produced increases. We started out hearing 18, then 40, the latest is 87. Hopefully the number will stick there or at least under 100. Wish there was an easy way to verify.

There is. Kevin Marti has all the Ford data from 1967 on {he bought the records from Ford}. He can tell you exactly how many were built. http://www.martiauto.com/

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The Marti report we got shows a total of 4118 Cal Spec made (all engines). In the Paul Newitt registry there are 14 X-codes that have surfaced. No matter how many-the car is fun to drive and Mustang folks are GREAT!

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I can verify what RICKS is saying, a guy in our club has an immaculate '67 High Country Special--CONVERTIBLE, which there are only a total of like 14 floating around (If I remeber correctly). I can e-mail the owner if anyone needs verification on the numbers of convertibles made.

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I wonder what ever happend to the original Mustang II? I know that it was a concept car but I seem to recall it being given to select families/people for test drive evaluations.

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I'm aware of the '67 HCS convertibles, but everybody I talk to says "no" when it comes to '68.

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There is only 1 WW '70 302 Boss with AC.

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No rarer? I have a 68 Fastback ...
Plus it has 2 bulbs in each of the rear light housing. This is really unique


I've had two '68 parts cars like this pass through my hands. One day I will find someone who really knows what stuff was added to Philippine Mustangs assembled locally or shipped out. I've still got that set of rear side markers with light housings in them that are definitely factory -- well, SOMEONE's factory!

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Well RickS I never said anything about a GT anything. I just said there were some Colorado Specials. I remember the High Country specials but I Think I also remember some Colorado Specials being sold. I realize that reading about it in a book carries a lot more weight than actually being there and 40 years can confuse smart people let alone me.

I am probably wrong but I'm going to keep on thinking I saw some Colorado Specials in the showrooms.

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Just a historical note. Those California specials were also sold here in Colorado as "Colorado specials". Since both state names start with "C" they could just sell the same cars both places. So your CA special might be a CO special.

John


You could say the C in GT/CS stood for Colorado, but how would you explain the "California Special" script on the quarter panel?


There are some Ski Country Specials. Maybe that's what you are thinking of.

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I never said anything about GT anything. If your going to correct me at least read what I said.

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I never said anything about GT anything. If your going to correct me at least read what I said.

I read what you said. You said "California Special".
All California Specials are GT's.
They all say GT/CS on the side.
They all say California Special on the side.
This car cannot be confused as a Colorado Special.
66 and 67 High Country Specials did not have to be GT's or Coupes.
The Ski Country Special did not even have to be a Mustang(it also included Galaxie and Fairlane).
Nugget Gold Specials were produced for Oregon.

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67 HCS fastback

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I had forgotten about the Ski Country specials, probably because they were not special. It seemed like they had some sort of special each year and possibly every six months during the latter part of the 60's. Like a dummy I went and looked at all of them, that's where I was told that the Co Special was the same as the CA special.

The only ones that were really special were the early "K" code cars and the later Cobra Jet series.

I bought one of the 67 GT "K" fastbacks, it ironically wasn't named sepcial anything but it came from the factory with an improved suspension, Koni shocks, and Michelin radials. I thought it was special, with the small block for better weight distribution it was real fun to run through the twisty mountain roads.

Now I am sure that someone will tell me that they never made such a car at the factory but, oh well.

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Ooops, forgot about the Bosses. they were pretty special.

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All California Specials are GT's.

Actually they aren't, depsite the "GT" in "GT/CS". You could order the GT package in addition to the GT/CS, but they didn't come as GT's automatically.

The '68 HCS mentioned earlier in this post is interesting. The unrestored condition certainly adds to the credibility, although without a VIN we'll never know! I never say never when it comes to this stuff.

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Yup, we'll never know other than my friend and I know what we saw, and we didn't even know each other at the time, and every time I talk to Kevin Marti I forget to ask him if he can hunt for it in his database. If it wasn't a factory job, then maybe a real '68 HCS coupe got wrapped around a telephone pole when it was new during a test drive, so the dealer took it as an opportunity to yank a standard royal maroon convert off the lot and transfer all the HCS stuff onto it (buying and applying a fresh stripe kit obviously) so that he could sell the convertible at a premium price, which would be a way of making some money off the wreck of the HCS coupe. A longshot scenario, but very possible, dealers built all sorts of "never was done from the factory" stuff. Or maybe Ford really did build a few '68 HCS converts as parade cars. Also, I'm sure you're right about the GT/CS not really being a GT at all, since I've seen a few 6-banger California Specials over the years.

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Kevin Marti has confirmed and the paperwork is "in the mail" that there were 76 GT/CS with the X-code engine. So less than 87 but more than 18. Maybe only 18 are still around in a driveable state. Oh-it's just numbers-I'm sure the car will never be a million dollars but it's priceless to us.

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Originally posted by LWLW GT/CS:
Kevin Marti has confirmed and the paperwork is "in the mail" that there were 76 GT/CS with the X-code engine. So less than 87 but more than 18. Maybe only 18 are still around in a driveable state. Oh-it's just numbers-I'm sure the car will never be a million dollars but it's priceless to us.

What does the "X" code denote?
"Special" ?

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76 out of a half million cars is pretty rare and "special" in my book!
"X" code is a 390 CID 2v carbureted, 280 HP 67/68 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane/Comet option.

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A few months ago I posted about a CS X-code that had recently become available.
We tried for days to contact the owner but never able to speak directly to him.
Then we heard the car had been sold and went to Idaho. DagNabIt!
It was supposedly white with red interior and was a rust bucket that had been sitting for a lot of years.
At the time we were thinking of buying it, we had been told the price was in the neighborhood of 3K.
We did investigate how many and also came up with around 80 something.
We recently learned the rusty car sold for 5.5K.
Oh Well, we are already overwhelmed with projects.
(One of them being the "rare" 64.5 Pace car), about 20-30 known survivors of 200.
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
76 out of a half million cars is pretty rare and "special" in my book!
"X" code is a 390 CID 2v carbureted, 280 HP 67/68 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane/Comet option.


Uhhhh why would someone produce a 390 2V mustang?
Were these X code mustangs common? I have seen plenty of S code cars but no X code that I know of......

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Why?? Well that's a long story.
Rare? Yes very rare indeed. Probably 25 to 1 "S" codes to each "X" code.

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How about the one and the only Boss 429 1969 Shelby????????

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To talk about rare mustangs....

I remember that a few years back I read in Mustang Magazine (I believe) about a few mustangs that were modified with a very small pickup style bed.

At least one of them at the time of the magazine still existed because there were pictures.

Now I am going to have to find that magazine.......dangit

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Originally posted by 68 S-code GT:
Even though the 68 ? CJ fastbacks are rare I?ve always had a soft spot for the subtle look of the rare coupes. I believe there were even some convertibles made.


I have a friend in Norfolk Va. that has one of those "RARE" coupes it has been featured in a few magazines. His name is John Scannelli. He has quite a collection of rare stuff. But he is more into the money aspect of collecting rae stuff. Yenko camaro. Balwin motion camaro, Scrambler, Super Duty Trans am's, Cyclone Dan Gurney and Cale Yarborough models. Car of his I like the most is a 64 1/2 Galaxie with a 427 4V 4 speed 2 tone paint brown with white roof. 100 point show car that looks like Mom and Pop grocery getter. Oh, his other Fords include a Torino Talledega with under 40k miles. Wish I had his car funding!

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The only Boss 429 powered '69 Shelby wasn't really a Shelby at all. It was called the "Quarterhorse", had a Shelby nose, but a standard tail end, and a Cougar dash. It was a Ford concept car. (That is, if we're both talking about the same thing!)

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The Gold Nugget Special was a DSO 74 offer.
Here are some orginal Ads for the promotion
Alos the GNS was ez to Id as had the added numbers "1111" behind the DSO.

Now you want to talk rare..
Find me a 1968 Cardinal Special!
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That's the car, and up until recently owned by a friend of mine, Doug Sulko. There were at least two Boss 429 Cougars made, possibly three. All had KK serial numbers.

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Originally posted by Tom G:
Car of his I like the most is a 64 1/2 Galaxie with a 427 4V 4 speed 2 tone paint brown with white roof. 100 point show car that looks like Mom and Pop grocery getter.

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There were many regional FoMoCo products int he late 60's and early 70's. We had some really ugly green Mustangs called Chicagoland editions that were nothing but a special paint code and emblems. I assume that is what a "Cardinal" edition is? Maybe fromt he St. Louis district?

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Alex,
The Cardinal Special was a Richmond Virginia DSO car. Similar to the Gold Nugget Special, California Special, etc. The Cardinal Special came with red exterior, red vinyl top, and decals, maybe even emblems. There is not much info out there about them. There is one in the Norfolk, Virginia area, but that was second hand information.

I'm still looking for pictures and more inof on them for you Sam.

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There were a total of 733 X code 390-2V Mustangs produced in 1968:

Hardtop: 477

Fastback: 189

Convertible: 67

My pick for rare? The ONLY Medium Goldenrod/green standard vinyl bucket interior 1972 Mustang fastback ever built was about 500 yards away from here, back in the early 80s. It was for sale for $200. Trunk rusted out so badly that the gas tank was being supported by an old 2x4. Grille was gone. No wheel covers. It was a 302/C4 car. Guys on the school bus called the color combo "baby sh*t mustard over goat puke green".

Hey, it was a Mustang and I wanted it, anyway. But my father didn't want such a rusted embarrassment sitting around.

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I have what I think is a pretty rare car. 71 Mach 1,429 CJ, automatic, every concievable option, except rear defrost and intermittent wipers. Factory-built with POWER DRIVERS SEAT. I have never seen another Mustang of any year with a power seat.
Also, I worked at a Ford dealer in Boise Idaho( Bob Rice Ford), and they sold a factory built 70 Boss 302 with an automatic trans. Was oredered by a handicapped customer who was personal friends with the dealer-owner, who in turn used his 'pull' with the Ford rep's to get the car built.
Daughter of the original owner has the car, with all the original paperwork, and the dealership still has all THIER paperwork on the car. I've seen and driven the car, and I was positive it was faked, but after all the documentation, including several photos of the car on the day it was delivered to the customer with the shifter clearly visible, and the story from the owners, I'm convinced. It WAS a factory-built fleet ordered car, so does that make it rare, or just a 1-off custom ordered car?

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WOW! There is NO mention of a power seat in ANY of the 71 literature that I have! That really IS fascinating! Did you get a Marti report for your car?

Did they get a Marti report for the Boss 302?

Chances are, extra special items like that might not even show up in the data base.

What are the color schemes of both cars?

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YUK!

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The Mach 1 is red w/black stripes, black/gret interior.
That boss was yellow/black with black standard interior.
I DO have a MARTI report on my Mach 1, and it does NOT show the power seat, nor does it show the magnum wheels,rear spoiler or the side stripes.
I know these these items are all original because my father ordered this car new from Don McMillon Ford in Houston, Tx. I was with him when he picked it up from the dealership, and all those items were present. The car was given to me in '74, and it has been in my possession ever since.
I also have a '73 Grande(my mothers car originally)and the Marti report on that car does not show the correct color(!) or the air conditioner.
I don't know if the is a Marti report done on the Boss, but that would be a cool car to do a feature on in some magazine.
The Dealer that sold it new was Bob Rice Ford(Now called Bob Rice Country) on Main st. in Boise, Id. The salesman who sold the car new was named Rich Decker, and he was the one who meticously kept the records. As of 95', he still worked there. That's when I worked there.

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posted 10-10-2002 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found after reviewing several Marti reports anc comparing them to build sheets and original "final" invoices, that FoMoCo had a very bad habit of allowing dealers to make last minute changes through their DSO sales managers. These changes rarely showed up on the original invoices. The "old timers" that I used to work with tell me that most of it stemmed from dealers not being aware of additional discounts offered via packages. In other words, if a car was ordered with a AM 8 track and delux interior there may have been some additional savings by adding styled wheels. There were special option packages that discounted grouped items.

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posted 10-10-2002 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cobravenom71   Click Here to Email cobravenom71     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, I've heard about that 'last-minute' ability for dealers to change vehicle orders many times from many different people, so I absolutely believe it to be true.
I sold Fords for several years, and I've seen a lot of odd-ball vehicles delivered.
Some examples: A Taurus delivered with a complete Sable interior. These two interiors were completely different at the time, and we just sold the car to the first customer that bought it. They never even mentioned the fact that the interior was plastered in Mercury and Sable markings.
Or, an EXP that was delivered with a complete turbo-charged engine. This was not availible for the model year, but it was two years earlier. Our dealer invoice did not show this, and there was no charge for the turbo set-up, and no mention of it anywhere on the paperwork, or the vehicle for that matter. When the car was sold, the customer knew it was a 'factory freak', and demanded from Ford in writing that the factory warranty was in effect.
Heres a good one: Our dealership delivered several Crown Vic Police Packages to our local cops, and the police engine at the time was a 351 VV (variable venturi)carbureted engine, rated at 180 H.P. The police package was the only vehicle availible with this engine, although a police car could be ordered with the 302 F.I motor, which was the standard engine in that line. Strangely, one of the police cars came with the 225 H.P. Mustang 5.0 liter H.O., which was unavailible in any iteration of Crown Vic/Mercury Marquis. Yet, there it was.
Our dealership recieved two(!) Ranger G.T.s' that had 3.0 SHO motors/ 5 speed trans, and when the dealer rep was contacted, Ford came and picked them up on a flatbed the next morning at 7:00 A.M. We were told that these were prototypes that were accidentally shipped to us instead of a desert testing facility. I'm not sure how accurate the desert thing is, but I did drive one, and it was very unimpressive. Did not feel like anything special. Thats probably why they never got made.
These were all vehicles that we never ordered in any fashion other than stock, and believe it or not, it's just a pain in the butt when a goofy mix-up like that comes in.
Now on the other hand, we were able to order a couple vehicles that were supposedly unorderable.
One was a Taurus SHO Wagon. Ford had previuosly made a Taurus with a 4-cylinder, 5-speed trans, called an MT-5. They never sold very well, and were real slugs.
When the SHO came out in '89, a customer wanted a wagon, and with one phone call from the owner, it was a done deal! It came in as a '90 model.
Also, a customer was able to get a Mustang GT hardtop! All GT's were either hatchbacks or convertibles. The convertibles were actually made by DAP from hardtops, and they were the same ones that put all the GT ground effects on. Ford was only too happy to sell a Mustang GT at a convertible price, without actually having to spend the money on the conversion. When this car was delivered, it was so dorky looking. that the customer did not want to take delivery, but since he paid a $5,000 deposit, he did. We certainly didn't want it. Man, was it ugly. As a side note, every piece of paperwork on this car referred to it as a convertible, so I imagine it is going to be fairly difficult to prove to anybody now that it is an actual 'factory freak'.
Even though it was supposedly not availible, in 89', 90' and again in 91' we ordered several F-150, short box, 2-wheel drive with 460 engines. This motor was technically availible only in F-250's and/or 4-wheel drives.
It wasn't anything special, but we were the only ones who had them in the area, so we did pretty well with them.
There were more , but I can't think of any right now.

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posted 10-10-2002 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't the VIN on that GT coupe denote it's real body? How did they get around the DOT requirmed identification of body type? IE 40, 41, 42, 44, and 45? I can see the sticker and invoice being erroneous, but not the VIN. Feds don't take to kindly to that stuff.

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What about a 66 FB GT that was converted to RHD by Ford Australia?

By the way, I'm new here. What has this Brandon Guy done to upset people? Just asking...

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quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
Very Simple ALex.

Any Mustang without [b]RUST
any Mustang that No ones monkeyed with the the Wiring

Now thats a rare Mustang
sam[/B]


Had to make my own RARE 68 Mustang. ie an AC equipped 68 with unmolested wiring!! Had to install an "unmolested harness" so I made my own "rarity"! LOL!

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How about the third ever 64 1/2 media car.
White convertable with blue top and interior. Ford made 100 to be spread around the nation. I believe the first two are in museums...the third is sitting in College Station, TX owned by Steve Stevenson.

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Welcome to M&M new members !
Brandon is a young member who just needs to learn how to act in an adult enviornment. He'll be fine.

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1969 428CJ Convertible with all power stuff. Saw one in Biloxi, MS last week at Cruisin' the Coast. Talked to the owner and he showed me the Marti sheet. It is the only one like it in existence. Pretty rare in my opinion.

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Rare? how about the one off Carrozzeria Bertone design of Turin who was comissioned to build a special bodied Mustang for the 1965 New York International Automoblie show. A conventional fastback 2+2 was shipped to Turin, there the car was rebodied to a italian GT. Car was lowered on special 14" wheels, frontal area reduced and lowered as well as the radiator height. Roof was brushed stainless and supported by a roll bar. After winning "Best of show" in the New york show the car was then shipped to England then France and Germany. Through a paperwork blunder the car was so called "mis-placed" and has never been found or located since. I have a picture of this car, reply and I'll send you a pic.
Sorry, guess this is a concept but still wanted to pass the info long since it was comissioned by a magazine to be built.

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posted 10-15-2002 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pictures PLEASE!!!!!

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posted 10-15-2002 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a 1969 Talledega, but that's not a Mustang. Pretty Rare though only 470 or so made.

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posted 10-16-2002 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gary:
Rare? how about the one off Carrozzeria Bertone design of Turin who was comissioned to build a special bodied Mustang for the 1965 New York International Automoblie show. A conventional fastback 2+2 was shipped to Turin, there the car was rebodied to a italian GT. Car was lowered on special 14" wheels, frontal area reduced and lowered as well as the radiator height. Roof was brushed stainless and supported by a roll bar. After winning "Best of show" in the New york show the car was then shipped to England then France and Germany. Through a paperwork blunder the car was so called "mis-placed" and has never been found or located since. I have a picture of this car, reply and I'll send you a pic.
Sorry, guess this is a concept but still wanted to pass the info long since it was comissioned by a magazine to be built.

[This message has been edited by Gary (edited 10-15-2002).]


GARY ,

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What about mine? It's the only one in existence with its VIN#. One of a kind, baby!

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posted 10-16-2002 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Neal......

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Hey John, weren't those "colorado's called "High country specials"?
nocalbob
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Originally posted by [email protected]:
Just a historical note. Those California specials were also sold here in Colorado as "Colorado specials". Since both state names start with "C" they could just sell the same cars both places. So your CA special might be a CO special.

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Actually, depending on what refrence books you check, there were several differnet mustangs sold in Colorado, High Country Special, Ski Special, and Colorado Special. There are several that say there is not a Colorado Special, but others state that there is. Kinda like the old argument, is it a '64 1/2 or an early '65 mustang????

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There's an article in this month's Mustang Monthly about the three Indy 500 pace cars. Only one has known whereabouts. Another was thought to be given to A.J. Foyt, but there's some question about that. Others think he was given a "normal" Mustang. Interesting story.....

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