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stang106
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From: God's Country!... Port Alberni B.C. Canada
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posted 09-29-2002 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was trying out another carb combination and when I started up there was a bad series af banging for a second or two in the passenger side valvecover. An inspection reveals the #2 exhaust pushrod is hammered down at the rocker end about 0.500" shorter than the others. The valve moves when tapped with a soft hammer. The only thing I can think of is an obstruction limiting the valve opening. Will pull the head tomorow as I'm going up the Juan De Fuca Strait from Port Alberni to Victoria today-about 12 hrs for a drydock run. Any Ideas?
Dave

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V8 Thumper
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posted 09-29-2002 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Valve guide seized the valve stem possibly

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 09-29-2002 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you check your piston to valve clearance during assembly?

Sorry to hear the news, by the way!

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Calcat
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posted 09-30-2002 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Calcat   Click Here to Email Calcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you have leaned out that cylinder with your new carb combo so bad that detonation did this ?

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stang106
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posted 09-30-2002 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back from the all day run up the coast and I'm still rocking back and forth... Steve when I assembled the motor I clayed the piston the valve and had 0.125" clearance. The valve is not seized, had oil coming out of the rocker last time I adjusted the valves. I couldn't see how a lean condition could occur in the first seconds of start-up. I was using 74 primarys with a 8.5PV, and 82 secondarys in the 600VS I was messing with.
I will pull it apart in the morning for a look-see.
Dave

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stang106
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posted 09-30-2002 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I installed a new pushrod and turned the engine over -no binding, resistance, or abnormal noises. Now I'm thinking that either the lock backed off or the motor finished breaking in and the lash widened enough to slip off the rocker pocket and get damaged. There was no abnormal valvetrain sounds before and I even now have my tailpipes on. I guess I'll just do another hot lash adjustment and forget about it.
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johnmustang
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posted 09-30-2002 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang106:
I installed a new pushrod and turned the engine over -no binding, resistance, or abnormal noises. Now I'm thinking that either the lock backed off or the motor finished breaking in and the lash widened enough to slip off the rocker pocket and get damaged. There was no abnormal valvetrain sounds before and I even now have my tailpipes on. I guess I'll just do another hot lash adjustment and forget about it.
Dave

Dave ,

What is the mileage on your engine now ? I am glad it was an easy inexpensive fix.

JOHN

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stang106
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posted 09-30-2002 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John,
I'm not sure of the milage as my speedo is not correct; but about 500+ miles. I'm attempting to locate a scope to look inside the cylinder before I start again.
Dave

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-30-2002 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like your diagnosis is very probable Dave.

Or were you snacking on some of your fish while assembling the engine and possibly left a filet or two on a piston?

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stang106
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posted 09-30-2002 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iobtained a scope but it would not fit in due to obstructions. Compression test pulled 175# in both the damaged cylinder and the next cylinder. Started up and car runs fine. Will do a hot lash adjustment and measure any loose ones to see if this was the cause.
Dave
ps Alex: I guess I shouldn't tell you I'm going to hike into a 'trophy' lake tomorow and pull out some monsters! I bet there hasn't been anyone there since last year when I visited it. Gotta like Canada!

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johnmustang
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posted 09-30-2002 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang106:

ps Alex: I guess I shouldn't tell you I'm going to hike into a 'trophy' lake tomorow and pull out some monsters! I bet there hasn't been anyone there since last year when I visited it. Gotta like Canada!

Do we have fish in Canada ?


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