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johnmustang
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posted 09-25-2002 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.K. everybody , in your opinions what is the best gas to use in your cars , not the octane rating , but , the brand. I use chevron , was told it was the best one around because of the cleaners they have in it. Shell would ne next when chevron not available. Remember that we do not have the amount of choices in Canada that you have in the U.S.A


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mustangs68
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posted 09-25-2002 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Texaco is my #1 until it closed and the other stations (Texaco) are 25-40% higher..

Talking with several folks in the Gas Biz. Citigo & BP was mention several times with favorable remarks so I'm using Citigo now..no complaints...yet
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lyle29464
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posted 09-25-2002 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464   Click Here to Email lyle29464     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use "shell" it is low priced and If you use a shell master card you get 5% off That puts it in the 1.20 range

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kid vishus
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posted 09-25-2002 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I have never really seen any difference in brands, I buy gas from who ever is cheapest. I also like to buy it from places that sell alot. It doesnt sit in their underground tanks very long that way.

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indyphil
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posted 09-25-2002 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it makes as much difference where you are in the country. Here in the Midwest the refineries add some funny alcohol additives "to make it burn cleaner" I have no idea what they do to engines. The exact content at the pump varies only the octane value is considered sacred.

Diesel changes with the seasons. Winter diesel has kerosene added to stop it waxing in the cold, that lowers the cetane value making it burn a little slower, and reduces the density making it about 2-3% less powerful. A little diesel trivia for you all.

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 09-25-2002 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone who has been in the Hot Tub lately can tell you that Alex's gas is pretty darned potent!

I tend to buy the cheapest gas too. I go through a tank every other day with my job and commute, so it doesn't really matter. I have increased my MPG by using Royal Purple lubricants. Since Alex put them in my truck (oil and trans), I have picked up 2 MPG - not a big difference until you figure I was only averaging 14 MPG before. That's quite a high % increase!

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Scott (69Mach)
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posted 09-25-2002 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott (69Mach)   Click Here to Email Scott (69Mach)     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most gas is the same, it's the additives that make the difference. I use Chevron or Shell cause I've met some of their chemists over the years. As Kid said, it's best to buy from a high volume source so the stuff doesn't sit in the ground too long collecting moisture.

For those of us in California that will soon be getting ethanol in our fuel (and those in the midwest that already do), look out. Think oil & vinegar dressing, that's what ethanol wants to do in your gas. Unfortunately, any water vapor that might accumulate in your fuel system now has a place for it to go and be happy (in the ethanol). Now imagine you don't drive your car too often and that stuff sits in your fuel lines or carb. Oxidation time.

It may not be as bad as all that, but I really don't want to find out. My car was built to run on dinosaurs, not corn.

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Fastback68
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posted 09-25-2002 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran an old car for 2 years on an ethanol mix in Zimbabwe, and it ran just fine. It was a 1976 Toyota Cressida.
That said, it was interesting to note that President Robert "The Goon" Mugabe had a private gas station for all his cars, and did NOT use ethanol. He was the only person in the country who could do this. More gasoline trivia for ya

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Square Pants
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posted 09-25-2002 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Square Pants     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm another who uses the least expensive gas around. For me, it's usually a place called QuickTrip. They tend to be about 5-8 cents cheaper than all the other places around here.

As far as the Ethanol additives... I haven't seen a place that doesn't have it around here in the fall/winter months.

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stang106
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posted 09-25-2002 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My truck pre-detonates on Petrocan and try to stick to Chevron. Chevron also has 94 octane where the others only have 92 max.
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71RESTO
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posted 09-25-2002 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 71RESTO   Click Here to Email 71RESTO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I worked designing refineries for almost 15 years, and what most folks have said is the truth. It depends on the additives more than anything else. However, having said that, it actually depends on whether the gas is batch blended (think of dumping all the contents into a big tank) or run through a metered mixing station. The type of blending changes refinery to refinery even within the same brand, depending on what system they use. The ones I stick to (from having worked at almost every name brand refinery on the west coast) are Texaco, Mobil (BP) and Union 76. The second tier would be Chevron and Shell and the ones to stay away from are any independants and Arco. Take this for what it's worth, but this is just my $.02

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kid vishus
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posted 09-25-2002 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having come from the midwest, and having run ethanol blended fuels almost exclusivley (by choice) I can honeslty say it is not damaging. Since it tends to also up the octane level, but not the price, it is a good "bang for the buck". In cold climates, it's like buying gas with an anti-freeze agent already installed. I had heard all the horror stories about it, but after running it for quite some time, and having tore more than one motor apart that ran it, I will testify there is no wear difference inside.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-25-2002 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did someone say gas???????

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 09-25-2002 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's so nice to have such an array of people to call upon here! Duane - thanks for your input. I will now keep my eyes open for the Mobil/BP stations on my routes.

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mustangboy
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posted 09-26-2002 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Sunoco, Gold in my stang, its the highest octane we can get from the pumps in these parts(94) .In my pickup I usually burn Esso or Shell whatevers cheaper.

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'69PonyRider
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posted 09-26-2002 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69PonyRider   Click Here to Email '69PonyRider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyle29464:
That puts it in the 1.20 range

Here in south cali 91 octane is at 1.77

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mellowyellow
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posted 09-26-2002 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
High volume stations. Use Shell out of convenience but local one has very high volume, so it's my usual stop. Plus, they have a car wash deal.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 09-26-2002 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What?s happening with Texaco? All of the stations in my area are closed or closing up! Mobil is or was good but now Exxon owns it. I stopped buying Exxon when they had the red colored premium because it would leave red sludge in the carb and intake.

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Boss302
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posted 09-26-2002 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss302   Click Here to Email Boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my dad ALWAYS buys shell gas.....that hereditary trait will probably wear off on me when i start driving

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71RESTO
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posted 09-26-2002 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 71RESTO   Click Here to Email 71RESTO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As part of the merger deal with Shell, Texaco had to close or convert all of their 12,000 U.S. stations to Shell. Just another outfall of all the mega-mergers over the last few years. The lines between the oil companies is becoming blurred, and the consumer takes in the shorts.

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Scott (69Mach)
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posted 09-26-2002 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott (69Mach)   Click Here to Email Scott (69Mach)     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a strange aside, when Chevron picked up Texaco and became ChevronTexaco, all the retail stations stayed with Equilon and Motiva. These are two retail joint ventures between Shell and Texaco on the west and east coasts. Shell maintains the rights to the Texaco brand for a year or so, then it reverts back to Chevron. Funny thing is you can't use your Chevron card at a Texaco station (at least for now). Pretty soon it'll be ChevronTexacoExxonMobilShellArcoBP.

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Gearhead
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posted 09-26-2002 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chevron is the best stuff around for my car! I've tried Petrocan and a few others, but I've had mixed results. Never had a bad tank of gas from Chevron. I run 94, as I have the timing cranked up to 14 degrees, and I have zero problems with detonation. I had a couple of friends in high-school that worked at a Petrocan there... they bought their gas from Chevron or Shell.

I try to use the high-traffic stations as well. More turnover means fresher gas!

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posted 09-26-2002 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tafinucane   Click Here to Email tafinucane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott (69Mach):
pretty soon it'll be ChevronTexacoExxonMobilShellArcoBP.

We'll shorten that to Shexxvromoarcaco, then Shvmaco, then just S.O. Full circle.

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rockafellz
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posted 09-26-2002 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Unocal 76 or is it just plain "76" now. But anyways, their gas doesn't contain MTBE (which I heard isn't too good for cars either). And if it's used by Nascar, they must be doing something right. IMHO. That's what goes into the Mustang.

All other cars get filled with COSTCO gas. Being that i'm in the bay area, the gas at costco is a lot cheaper than regular gas station prices.

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kid vishus
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posted 09-26-2002 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rockafellz:
I And if it's used by Nascar, they must be doing something right.



That's just because that's who paid NASCAR the most money. Just like Goodyear tires. If a major oil company were to give them enough money, they would make everyone run that oil too.

Has nothing to do with using what is best.

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n2oMike
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posted 09-26-2002 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
Having come from the midwest, and having run ethanol blended fuels almost exclusivley (by choice) I can honeslty say it is not damaging. Since it tends to also up the octane level,

Ethanol DOES indeed increase octane... But the fuel you are buying at the pump is STILL 87 octane. Ethanol just allows them to use a cheaper base stock... and add 10% ethanol to bring it up to 87 octane standards.

Ethanol contains quite a bit of oxygen (which does not burn, it only allows othere stuff to burn) Therefore, almost twice the volume is needed to produce the output of gasoline. You are using part of the fuel as your air.... so 'gasohol' does not deliver the fuel mileage straight gasoline does.

There are no 'oxygenated' fuel laws in this state, so the gas companies are free to sell whatever they want at the pumps. The cheapest stations use the 10% ethanol mix, the others sell straight gasoline.

My engines will get their oxygen from the air, thank you. I don't want to pay to have it pumped into the fuel tank.

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kid vishus
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posted 09-26-2002 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ethanol that they sell in Iowa is 91 octane, not 87. It gets the same mileage on the street as straight gas does. I have ran both, tested mileage on both, and have seen no noticable differences. The nice thing is, the 91 octane ethanol blend is the same exact price as regular 87 octane.

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posted 09-27-2002 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
should there be something to look for on the pump that tells me Im getting an ethanol blend?

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Here is Louisiana the stations are required to have a sticker on the pump to identify gas that is a ethanol blend. It's not a very big sticker, have to sit there and read the pump while filling up.

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posted 09-29-2002 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rockafellz:
MTBE (which I heard isn't too good for cars either).

It?s not supposed to be good for people either!

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posted 09-29-2002 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 71RESTO:
As part of the merger deal with Shell, Texaco had to close or convert all of their 12,000 U.S. stations to Shell.


There is also a lot of Shell stations borded up around here.

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