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FloJoe
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From: Port Orange, FL, USA
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posted 09-17-2002 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FloJoe   Click Here to Email FloJoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lately my car has been harder to start. It turns over alot more than it used to and I have to give it some gas everytime as its turning over to start it. Sometimes it takes a 2 or 3 times to start it, like first thing in the morning, or when its really hot.

Any ideas?

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johnmustang
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posted 09-17-2002 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
make sure the choke on your carb is working properly , alot of times you will need to take it apart and give it a good cleaning , also check your ignition system cap , rotor , points , condensor ( if you have them ). Also make sure your base-plate carb gasket has not cracked , and , you are sucking a bit of air. Always check the easy stuff first

JOHN

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johnmustang
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posted 09-17-2002 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.....Forgot to mention that it could be something as easy as a semi plugged fuel filter , check it out. I am sure the best suggestions will come from our ever present guru Alex.

JOHN

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FloJoe
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posted 09-17-2002 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FloJoe   Click Here to Email FloJoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well yesterday I bought and installed a new fuel filter, cleaned my K&N, and even bought a new starter solenoid. No fix yet. I will check the plugs later on today.

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Joe Fields
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Ken
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posted 09-17-2002 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only time I ever had a hard time starting mine was when the timing was off !!!

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indyphil
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posted 09-17-2002 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 68 289 also. Mine is a little hard to start when it has been run hot. Mine got a little better when i switched thermostats and it ran cooler. I also changed fuel filter to no effect.

Recently I changed the gas gauge sender unit which also has a little screen filter in it. It was completely blocked up with crap. Most of the crap was particles of the float mechanism that had rusted. Im not sure if the new sender will make a difference yet because I havent put all the parts back on and tried, but the old one was badly caked. I will let you know if it makes a difference. My opinion on the bad hot starting is that the carb needs a thermally insulating spacer plate. I have not seen one for a 2 barrel carb like ours yet, I may be switching to a 4 barrel soon anyway.

As for poor cold starting, check over the choke, make sure the ignition is tip-top and check the idle/mix screws. Mine ran a little lean and since I tuned her up she has run much better. Most manuals have enough detail on how to tune in the 2 barrel carb, my haynes manual was good enough.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-17-2002 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check the choke setting.

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FloJoe
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posted 09-17-2002 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FloJoe   Click Here to Email FloJoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it is my daily driver.

And as far as a choke goes, well....I never use it. But it never did this before.

I checked the plugs and they were are fine.

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Joe Fields
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johnmustang
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posted 09-17-2002 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a thought , but , maybe you shaved a few teeth on your timing gear , or , your timing chain has stretched abit and is causing your problem. Can we assume that never using your choke means that it is a manual one , and , if it is you may want to try using it to make your starting easier.

JOHN

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mustangs68
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posted 09-18-2002 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you still have points..replace with a Petronix unit

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FloJoe
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posted 09-18-2002 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FloJoe   Click Here to Email FloJoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just told by 2 mechanics(and I let them start it) that it is the power valve in the carb. It seems right.

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Joe Fields
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indyphil
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posted 09-20-2002 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil   Click Here to Email indyphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Flo Joe,
do you run a 2 barrel carb?
My choke is the automatic type that has a heater hose running beside it. It turns itself off and on. If we have different carbs then Im out of my depth.

I did put a pertronix system in there, and a new set of leads and distributor cap but it didnt actually help all that much.

The hot starting is a different problem like I mentioned before, but the cold starting sounds like a carb problem, does she idle nicely when you finally get her going?

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