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MustangDude
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posted 09-06-2002 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MustangDude   Click Here to Email MustangDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there!

I'm looking at buying a 302 FRPP Crate Engine for my 65. Does it just drop right into the engine compartment and bolt right up to the C4? Has anyone tried this?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 09-06-2002 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They will bolt up to the trans. You need to use an earlier front sump oil pan, and if you need to use a mechanical fuel pump, you'll need to swap the timing cover and add a fuel pump eccentric.

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steve'66
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posted 09-06-2002 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And,

You won't be able to use the water pump 'cause it turns backwards and has it's outlet on the wrong side.
Also the bottom pulley won't fit. You'll have lots of parts you won't be able to use off the FRPP engine, the valve covers are buttugly gray sheetmetal too. They look like a boat engine. Hopefully yours will come with a flexplate that'll fit your tourqe converter.

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MustangDude
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posted 09-06-2002 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MustangDude   Click Here to Email MustangDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew it was too good to be true. Can I take the parts off my 289 and put it on the crate engine? Would I just be better off taking my 289 and putting better heads, intake, cam, etc on it?

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Scott D
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posted 09-06-2002 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott D   Click Here to Email Scott D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a difference in flywheels between 289's and late model 302 engines...something to do with the balance of them.

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steve'66
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posted 09-06-2002 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MustangDude:
I knew it was too good to be true. Can I take the parts off my 289 and put it on the crate engine? Would I just be better off taking my 289 and putting better heads, intake, cam, etc on it?

Yes your old parts will fit. Basically all you'll use of the crate motor is the long block. And then you'll have to find a 4 bolt pulley that'll accept a v-belt. I went thru this swap with a friend a couple years ago. His was even harder because it was a 4-speed, and he had to get the adapter for the z-bar and use the new clutch that came with the new crate engine.

Your other option is to convert the car to serpentine belts and move the outlet of your radiator to the other side.

Good luck,

SteveW

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mellowyellow
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posted 09-07-2002 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To use your existing setup you'll need a 50 oz 3 bolt damper and flexplate. NPD has them on page 74. If you get a roller lifter motor you will need to get a steel gear for your dist. Have done this deal and used a 66 dist with Pertronix and coil plus the steel gear. You can use your original timing cover. My motor came with the two piece eccentric for the fuel pump. Ypu can then use the orig style waterpump. You will need taller valve covers plus the rest of the standard early parts. I used a "Shelby" intake and hi po exh manifolds. Nice part: you'll have a BRAND NEW motor!

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MustangDude
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posted 09-07-2002 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MustangDude   Click Here to Email MustangDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info guys! It sounds like it's doable, but where would I find the pulley to work with the V-belts? I take it I can't just use the pulley off my 289.

I plan on replacing my dist with an aftermarket model, so I dont think I need to worry about the steel gear.

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mellowyellow
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posted 09-07-2002 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you get all the stuff mentioned above, the new 3 bolt damper will permit use of your stock pulleys. I put original AC on mine and was able to use all the pulley, brackets, idler, etc. With 3/8" billet alum spacers was able to use cobra valve covers. It looked so orig that a Ford tech asked if was the orig engine. At first I said yep. He looked and looked and finally saw a difference in head casting and said gotcha!! We both laughed!

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MustangDude
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posted 09-07-2002 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MustangDude   Click Here to Email MustangDude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's really good to hear because I want it to look mostly stock but get a lot more performance out of the engine. I was even going to get the K Code exhaust manifolds to hook up to it. Will the '65 engine mounts work with it or should I go with the 66 mounts?

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Tom G
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posted 09-25-2002 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom G   Click Here to Email Tom G     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 345 hp crate motor has a water pump and timing cover from the explorer V8 it also has a front sump oil pan although it has provision for a rear dipstick also. I have to plug mine. The lowerr pulley/dampner is a serpentine pulley. I am using a radiator from a cleveland so my water inlet is ok. I am going to scrounge up a alternator bracket and w/p pulley from a v8 explorer or mountaineer. WHoever mentioned that the valve covers that come on the motor are but ugly is exactly right. THey look like they are off a marine engine. You will also need a dipstick for v8 explorer if you plan to use the pan that comes on the engine. BTW you won't be able to diguise the "SVO" cast into the ends of the aluminum cylinder heads. BTW CJ pony parts had the best price I could find. I went and picked mine up today. You may want to order the "E 303" cammed engine as it is listed for auto or stick the B303 is listed for manual only and comes with a stick flywheel.

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66bluefb
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posted 09-25-2002 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb   Click Here to Email 66bluefb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put a late model 302 in my 66 stang and went with the Ford duraspark electronic ignition.It is cheaper than buying a steel gear and the Pertronix.I bought the 1985-302 rebuilt distributor and ignition box from Autozone for around 70.00 They are easy to hook up too. It just splices into two wires and thats it.If you don`t have a good 4 core radiator you might want to check around about buying a radiator.If the crate motor comes with a timing cover and water pump I would look in to buying a radiator that has the left side outlet.Then you can use all the new stuff on the crate motor instead of putting old parts on it or spending more money for new stuff.I think everybody covered everything else.

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