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stang67_460
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From: Essex,VT,USA
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 07-17-2002 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang67_460   Click Here to Email stang67_460     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the deal with the high torque mini starters? Summit has them under the hardcore race section. Will they hold up under normal street everyday use? Is the only thing gained is that they are lighter? and smaller? Thanks

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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99

posted 07-17-2002 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other reason they're in the hardcore racing section is 'cos the high torque enables them to turn over high-compression engines. I don't see any reason not to put them on a street car, unless cost is a factor.
If we're lucky, this thread will flush out someone with detailed knowledge of '70s and '80s Mustangs (???). I believe some of those starters are smaller and stronger than those in classic Stangs, and bolt-ins to our cars, but I'm not sure which ones.

[This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 07-18-2002).]

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GypsyR
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From: SC
Registered: May 2002

posted 07-18-2002 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypsyR   Click Here to Email GypsyR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't bought the high-dollar starters, but I have retrofitted late model mini starters. Right now I have a starter from a 98 F150 4.2 5 speed bolted on my 89 F150 4.9 5 speed. It works fine, but it's hard to say if it has any more torque. A direct bolt-on with some wiring added to bypass the solenoid. Since the older starters could be swapped around a lot more than Ford would have you know. If you want to mess with one go to a junkyard that will let you root around (through their starters at least). Look for a starter that has the cast aluminum "nose" that is the same size as the the old style, but the actual motor is a lot smaller. Sort of a half-breed, since the really late model starters are smaller altogether and not usable. The Ford rule of automatic starter for AT flywheel and MT starter to MT flywheel still applies. You can't mix and match MT and AT. If you have an old one to go by, you can see the different nose depths. I surely haven't tried them all so some may not work.
I put one off a 4.0 AT Explorer on our 86 5.0 Mustang with AOD. The old starter is a real bummer to get off with the exhaust headers and motor mounts in the way. The Explorer starter was a breeze to put on. Since the Explorer starter has the solenoid built on to it and the exhaust runs close to it, we felt an old Corvette-style heat shield was needed. Probably. The old 70's Vettes were terrible about heat-damaged starters because the exhaust ran so close.
One of these is no comparison to a McCleod hi-torque though. Any drag racer with a big block running high compression will tell you they are well worth the money if you need one. They are very well made and have the average life expectancy of any other starter.

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Clark
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From: Rowlett,Texas
Registered: Aug 99

posted 07-19-2002 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clark   Click Here to Email Clark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I can add is after I built my 393W, I made a few attempts to start it with my original starter and it failed. I then purchased one of these new hitork starters off ebay for (65.99 with wires to install) and man what a difference. It turned over easier and fit great, I even recieved the manual one by mistake and the guy exchanged it no problem. I don't know about long term but I like it.

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mellowyellow
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From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 07-19-2002 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A heat shield sounds like a good idea. My last Vette was a 76 (POS!!) and it had chronic starter problems, along with clutch, brakes, hei, AC, t-tops, headlights, rear end, sh*tty performance, otherwise, it was a great car!! LOL! Those mini hi performance staters are a bit pricey. Like to hear more about them.

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Clark
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From: Rowlett,Texas
Registered: Aug 99

posted 07-19-2002 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clark   Click Here to Email Clark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mellow the price is what kept me away as well but 65.99 was hard to pass up, especially when most places are asking at least 120. This guy sells alot of these and at this price,I can see why.

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460-67Stang
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From: Southern Ohio, USA
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 07-19-2002 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 460-67Stang   Click Here to Email 460-67Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought a CVR hi-torque starter from Summit (or Jegs??) for my 460. It was around $150 or so. It' s very nice piece and turns over the motor 3 times better than the stock starter. The starter motor has a multi-positoin adjustment on the mount and allows you to turn it away from headers, etc.. I installed a heat shield which also helps it a lot.

The CVR starter is a well built piece and I recommend them.

Regards,
Brian

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