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fastcomet289
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posted 06-19-2002 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fastcomet289   Click Here to Email fastcomet289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im pretty handy with a wrench, but have never cracked a tansmision case to rebuild or install a shift kit. I want to make my car from column shift to floor shift. Also it needs to be rebuilt. Is this something left to a pro and what do i need to convert to a floor shift besides the shifter and steering column. What linkage do i need to convert it.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-19-2002 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are VERY exacting and follow the manual closely you are all set. The C4 is one of the easiest trannys to rebuild.

To convert to floor shift, you'll need the shift lever shaft from a floor shift tranny, unless you're using an aftermarket shifter.

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Fastback68
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posted 06-19-2002 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you've never rebuilt a tranny, even a C4, I think the chances of screwing up doing it on your own are very high - with the manual. Without a manual, you might as well throw the thing in the river to start with
I've now watched the pros rebuild five C4's and I'm gonna do my own next time, with someone watching over my shoulder.

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fastcomet289
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posted 06-19-2002 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fastcomet289   Click Here to Email fastcomet289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what are the problem areas that i should pay special attemtion to?

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Fastback68
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posted 06-19-2002 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Others will hopefully guide you on specific technical issues, but for people like me, it's an issue of what goes where, how much to torque this, how to clean that, etc., etc. There are just so many shiny bits lying on the ground, and I fear they will end up that way - lying on the ground.
If you're the kind of guy who can strip something complex down and then reassemble it, it should be a breeze.

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bluetech
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posted 06-20-2002 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluetech   Click Here to Email bluetech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
I'm gonna do my own next time, with someone watching over my shoulder.

Can I watch?

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-20-2002 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As STeve says, they are pretty simple if you follow a manual and use quality parts.
You will need a C-4 floor shift manual control lever for your conversion. It is the one that points UP. ^
I believe that NPD offers them as a repop. Check with Rick.
They are getting pretty scarce at the trans shops and junk yards won't split up a trans for them.

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n2oMike
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posted 06-20-2002 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want to get REALLY technical about how to make one tick... Go here and read all about it.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?forum=13&113

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
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brockjoe
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posted 06-20-2002 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for brockjoe   Click Here to Email brockjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as long as were talking c-4's today mine lost all forward gears but rev works well (imagine the looks i got driving home backward) is there a easy fix or should i chuck it

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-20-2002 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably not Joe. I would at least drop the pan and have a look. You might have goten lucky and just clogged up the filter. Reverse has quite a mechanical advantage over the forward gears, so it sometimes will still work with less fluid. Good luck.

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Alex Denysenko
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RonnieT
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posted 06-20-2002 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RonnieT   Click Here to Email RonnieT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One issue with rebuilding a transmission is having the proper tools remove the special retaining rings and to compress the spring washers in the clutch drums to change the seals rings, if you do not change these seals you might as well not do anything. A work bench with a hole in it works well to allow you to stand the transmission on end.

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Ronnie
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-21-2002 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All you really need special are snap-ring pliers. You can remove the clutch retaining rings with a screwdriver. You should have an inch/lb torque wrench for the valve body, too.

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