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ewokeric
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posted 05-22-2002 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ewokeric   Click Here to Email ewokeric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok guys i need all the opions i can get. This is driving me crazy and i guess is shouldn't but it is. As you may or may not know i have a C code 1968 coupe (289) it has 4 lug axles. I thought since it is not the same one that was on from factory tag that some one changed it out for some reason. So the parts car that i may get also is a C code (have not verified). IT also has 4 lug axles. I would like to know what you guys think. I also have 9" brakes (drum) this one has that as well.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-22-2002 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your car has 4 lug hubs, it began life as a 6 cyl. car

Changing over to 5 lugs is involved and expensive , essentially requiring complete replacement of the steering and suspension components. What rear differential is in the car? It's probably an integral 7"

If you decide to go to all the trouble, you may also concider a front disc brake upgrade... V8 cars with drums all around are spooky

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-22-2002 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Ford wasn't very careful in the '68s, one of our other members {Tom G?} has a C code with 4 lugs, too.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-22-2002 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No kidding? (this one isn't about running up my post count ) I though all V8 cars were 5's... in which case, would it mean simply changing hubs and axles? Heck, if so, that could be done for a few hundred bucks

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ewokeric
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posted 05-22-2002 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ewokeric   Click Here to Email ewokeric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so what suppension componets do i order one for a 6 to match the axles (4 lug) or do i order the ones for a v8. The funny thing is or the 3 vin plates that i have found it was a c code. Are you saying that the factory screwed up when i was made. and yes the rear end gears are 7.25 pioion gear. I have a 351w under the hood hope i holds together.
i am so

i quess i should just enjoy it and stop worrying about it tell i breaks. opions?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-22-2002 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were supposed to all be 5 lugs with V8s, but sometimes I guess when the supplies were low...

I wonder if it had anything to do with that '67 strike Sam was researching? The '68 is the only year I've heard this happening on so far...

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-22-2002 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You essentially seem to have a V8 in a six cylinder chassis. So all suspension parts should be ordered for a six cylinder car. That is unless you decide to swap to tougher components.

I don't think the small rear will last long behind a 351W.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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ewokeric
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posted 05-22-2002 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ewokeric   Click Here to Email ewokeric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i am stuck with it for now but the car was made around janurary 31st 1968 do you think that time period would relate to the strike and how do you think it will hold up to the 351w i have

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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
They were [b]supposed to all be 5 lugs with V8s, but sometimes I guess when the supplies were low...

I wonder if it had anything to do with that '67 strike Sam was researching? The '68 is the only year I've heard this happening on so far...

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-22-2002 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried to find info about the strike on Sam's web site http://www.geocities.com/~mustangs68/ but I couldn't find anything.

Hopefully when Sam see this he can expound on it.

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-22-2002 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With a V8 engine code in the VIN on a 6 cyl. chassis, could that car be worth some bucks, being as 'unique' as it is? Hmmmmmm...

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-23-2002 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You mention threee "vin plates" Plates would mean door tag, buck tag on right apron (or right core support) and vin tag inside right corner of dash. Now: Some 68's did not have 'visible' vin nos. STAMPED (NOT PLATES) on the aprons. Loosening the fender on the driver side, pulling it back to expose the apron will probably reveal a T code. I can possibly see one mistake, but two...........
As there is a safety issue with a v-8 in 6 cyl chassis, seems "unlikely" that Ford would let that out the door. Also, it has a 6 cyl rear. Now if the factory did that what kind of driveshaft would they have used??? Nothing's impossible, but very highly improbable. Is it worth more. If it is a factory Fu**up, it wouldn't be worth more. Not for substandard running gear.

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-23-2002 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgot something. How is the gas line routed? Does it come into the engine compartment on driver side INSIDE engine cmpt or does it come along frame on driver side OUTSIDE of engine cmpt and enter through a hole in the LFront apron right by the fuel pump?? And what kind of exhaust?

I have one of those strike cars. 68 cv C code, San Jose car. It was scheduled for build on Sept 15, l967 and was actually built 63 days later on Nov. 17. Love those Marti reports. Bet a Marti report would answer any questions.

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johnmustang
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posted 05-23-2002 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 68 is a 100% matching numbers car , with a 200 cid 6 cyl , 3 spd standard , but , I have the 5 lug on it. Any reason for this ?

JOHN

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ewokeric
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posted 05-23-2002 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ewokeric   Click Here to Email ewokeric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mellowyellow:
You mention threee "vin plates" Plates would mean door tag, buck tag on right apron (or right core support) and vin tag inside right corner of dash. Now: Some 68's did not have 'visible' vin nos. STAMPED (NOT PLATES) on the aprons. Loosening the fender on the driver side, pulling it back to expose the apron will probably reveal a T code. I can possibly see one mistake, but two...........
As there is a safety issue with a v-8 in 6 cyl chassis, seems "unlikely" that Ford would let that out the door. Also, it has a 6 cyl rear. Now if the factory did that what kind of driveshaft would they have used??? Nothing's impossible, but very highly improbable. Is it worth more. If it is a factory Fu**up, it wouldn't be worth more. Not for substandard running gear.

ok the plates i am refering or the door tag, dash board, and plate on fender, also there is a number stamped on the driver side inside fender (just stamped) no plate and it is the same as the rest.

also the gas line runs on the outside of the engine compartment and goes in through the dirvers side fender at the wheel well. What does that mean.

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mustangs68
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posted 05-23-2002 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Guys,

As for the UAW/FORD strike I don't have any info on the subject of 4 vs 5 lugs but it would not surprise me if this happen due to the parts shortage and start up/delay time the strike caused.

The only replies I got back were from a fellow in the Ford Archive Div and he sent me copies of Ford World the Company Newspaper..UAW after several request and sending my Home address failed to send anything.

I also requested photos of the 1968 assembly line at a cost of $20 US each wanting 5 total however I made sure FORD knew I wanted to use them on my site and was NO by FORD legal dept.
(being honest and truthfull does have it's pitfalls...LOL)

Here's the page I set-up,edited by me for content and space but interesting as an insight into 1968 Modle year.

http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/fo-uaw.html
Sam
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If you don't have a Marti Report get one as Mellow said it will answer a lot of questions.here's mine for a look at one..note the info on options,date built vs the "real" date,
http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/marti.html

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68 S-code GT
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posted 05-24-2002 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have the four lug hubs up front also? As far as suspension swaps for 6-8 on a 68, all you would have to change is the brakes, rear end and the springs. The spindles, arms and links are all the same! If you think your cars front-end height is ok now the 351W should not be a problem especially if you have an aluminum intake.

It sounds to me that someone might have swapped in the 6 stuff because they had it!

My first car was a 67 6cyl that I dropped a tired 70 351W in. I didn?t swap the suspension until I did a smoky burn out and blew the spider gears in the 7.5 rear. The car sat low and it took longer to stop but otherwise under normal driving conditions and a stock engine thing will hold up.

I forgot to ask what size sway bar do you have? You might want to upgrade that also!

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ewokeric
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posted 05-24-2002 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ewokeric   Click Here to Email ewokeric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes i have 4 lugs up front as well. I think the height is ok but stopping might be a problem still have to work the kinks out of the brakes system. I think that some one blew the old rear end out and swaped for what they had including the front. The rear in that is in it is not the same as the vin door tag says at least the gear should be a 2.79 but has a 2.83(7.25). They have spacers in the front springs and a extra leaf off the org leaf springs like a helper spring to raies it up

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Ralph Rebandt
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posted 05-26-2002 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ralph Rebandt   Click Here to Email Ralph Rebandt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey I changed to the 5 lug system... even I could do it with the help of my friends at MandM: I am glad that I did. It allowed me not only the beefer suspension, but I was able to get the 5 lug rims that I wanted...

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ewokeric
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posted 05-27-2002 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ewokeric   Click Here to Email ewokeric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so from reading the responses i can suppesion parts with out worring about if they will fit since they are the same or am i wrong except for the springs. And what difference does i make if the fuel line is on the outside of the engine bay or inside. Mine goes into the engine bay through the front drivers apron by the front wheel right to the fuel pump. Thoughts people

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-27-2002 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For a V-8 your gas line is in the right place. The 6 cyl route would put gas line near exhaust if car has a V-8. Thinking about this, bet your car was someone's parts and swap car. A man here bought a 65 coupe with all power, Fac AC v-8, AT, etc. They jacked both cars up side by side and he ended up with an optioned 65 cvt and someone bought an A code 65 with a 6 cyl, AT. They exchanged everything! Under those circumstances would do the same thing. In fact, did with a 67 cv and a 67 Cougar. The Cougar went to the bone yard-rust victim.

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